Thomas Byrnes, (3) - Who did Thomas BYRNE/BYRNES marry?

There were multiple Thomas BYRNE/BYRNES born around 1825 who lived in the same region of NSW.

Ancestry.com has a death certificate for Thomas BYRNES
- born 1825 Ireland died 1/9/1900 Myall Creek
- son of Michael BYRNES and Annie WHALAN
- married Grace McBRIDE in 1865 East Maitland
- had children Annie 1867, Mary 1868, John 1870, Bridget 1872, Ellen 1876 + 2 sons deceased + 1 daughter deceased

Ancestry.com has a marriage certificate for Thomas BYRNES, bachelor marrying Rosannah QUINN spinster on 15/6/1847.
There are no parents or date of births listed

Ancestry.com has a pioneer register for Thomas BYRNE / BYRNES born 3/7/1825 age 3 - with Francis BYRNE (Head), Sarah HIBBS (spouse) and children Mary Ann BYRNE, Hannah BYRNE, Thomas BYRNE, James BYRNE, Catherine BYRNE, Terence Cornelius BYRNE, Andrew BYRNE, Hugh BYRNE, Richard BYRNE, Elizabeth BYRNE, Margaret BYRNE
On this register it has Thomas married to Mary Ann GOSPER on 12/4/1847 and dying on 15/1/1849.
There is no image attached.
[LM NOTE - The 1828 convict registers did not contain information about future marriages or deaths - not sure how accurate the marriage and death information would be]
[Ancestry user note on this register - The Thomas BYRNE who married Mary Ann GOSPER on 12/4/1847 was born c1825 but was the son of Patrick BRYNE and Elizabeth CAFFERY. He died 11/7/1892 and this information was recorded on his death certificate]

There were at least 3 Mary Ann GOSPER's living in that area.

Mary Ann GOSPER 1833-1835 - daughter of James GOSPER and Margaret MARSDEN - died age 2

Mary Ann GOSPER 1827-189 - daughter of John Thomas GOSPER and Hannah Beale REYNOLDS

Mary Ann GOSPER 1823-? - daughter of Thomas GOSPER and Mary HUMPHRIES

With Mary Ann Gosper born 1827 to John Gosper and Hannah Reynolds.
married Thomas Byrne 1846. She died 1893 and was childless. Her brother Charles was the informant on her death certificate.
I do have information on the other 2 Mary Ann Gosper. The 3 fathers of these girls are all brothers.
I will sort out the info I have on the other 2 and will send it in another email.

I have added year of birth and parents names into the suffix fields temporarily so we can see which ones we are referring to.

Also tagging the parent profiles so this discussion appears on their profiles
- Mary Ann Byrne, 1827-1893 is the daughter of John Thomas Gosper and Hannah Beale Gosper

Mary Ann Byrnes, (1823) is the daughter of Thomas Gosper, Jr. and Mary Gosper

Mary Ann Gosper, infant is the daughter of James Gosper and Margaret (Marsden) Gosper, Free Settler "Morley" 1820

Thomas Roker Alexander Gosper [Convict "Surprize" 1790] and Mary Ann (Hipwell) Reynolds - Gosper [Convict "Mary Ann" 1791] are the parents of
- Thomas Gosper, Jr.
- John Thomas Gosper
- Joseph Gosper
- James Gosper

Mary Ann Gosper born 1833 to James Gosper and Margaret Marsden died 1835 as a 2 year old.
There were several Thomas Byrne `s in the 1850`s 1860`s one was in and out of Jail and ended up in a mental asylum.
I am still having trouble finding who Mary Ann 1823 married. Some people have her living until 1918. She did not die as a Gosper or a Byrne.
Still researching this girl.
Regards
Elizabeth

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https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/158686168 - Buried at Saint Matthew's Anglican Church Cemetery
Right Section, Row 9, Plot 9
* Mary Ann GOSPER born 22/6/1833 died 1/4/1835, father James GOSPER, mother Margaret MARSDEN
* William Thomas Alexander GOSPER born 23/2/1828 died 12/7/1908, father Jame GOSPER, mother Margaret MARSDEN
* William John GOSPER born 24/4/1856 died 18/12/1934, father William Thomas Alexander GOSPER, mother Elizabeth WOOD
* William Clyde GOSPER born 6/6/1888 died 11/7/18888, father Charles Sloper GOSPER
* Maude Mary GOSPER born 1/3/1865 died 3/10/1867, father William Thomas Alexander GOSPER, mother Elizabeth WOOD
* Margaret GOSPER nee MARSDEN born 23/5/1805 died 15/4/1841, spouse of James GOSPER
* James GOSPER born 11/10/1853, died 2/10/1932, father William Thomas Alexander GOSPER, mother Elizabeth WOOD
* James GOSPER born 1/10/1805 died 12/12/1837, son of Thomas Roker GOSPER and Mary Anne HIPWELL
* Charles Sloper GOSPER born 24/8/1862 died 19/2/1932, father William Thomas Alexander GOSPER, mother Elizabeth WOOD
* Charlotte ALDERSON nee GOSPER born 6/9/1830 died 15/12/1881, father James GOSPER, mother Margaret MARSDEN

Right Section Row 9, Plot 10
* John Thomas GOSPER born 1/5/1801 died 20/11/1886, father Thomas Roker GOSPER, mother Mary Anne HIPWELL
* Hannah Beale GOSPER nee REYNOLDS born May 1806, died 21/7/1888, husband of John Thomas GOSPER

Right Section, Row 10, Plot 12
* Victor Alfred GOSPER born 15/7/1899 died 3/1/1900, father Jesse GOSPER, mother Eva Mary Ann ASHTON
* Jesse GOSPER born 14/5/1868 died 24/1/1933, son of John Thomas GOSPER and Grace Turnbull COX
* Gordon Hipwell GOSPER born 1885 died 19/2/1959, son of Benjamin GOSPER and Annie
* Charles Edward GOSPER born 21/10/1893 died 29/8/1963, son of Jesse GOSPER and Eva Mary Ann ASHTON
* Benjamin GOSPER born 25/5/1847 died 23/6/1919, son of John Thomas GOSPER and Hannah Beale REYNOLDS

Right Section, Row 23, Plot 4
* Diana Blanche GOSPER nee TEALE born 31/10/1850 died 1/2/1906, wife of David GOSPER
* David GOSPER born 29/3/1856 died 1/5/1904, son of John Thomas GOSPER and Grace Turnbull COX
* Edith Josephine CHANDLER nee GOSPER born 30/1/1887 died 26/11/1887, father David GOSPER, mother Diane Blanche TEALE

Left Section, Row 10, Plot 1
* Charles John GOSPER, born 14/2/1880 died 26/11/1901 (South Africa), son of John Thomas GOSPER - Service #52

Left Section, Row 10, Plot 3
* Sarah GOSPER nee PEARSON, born 8/4/1843 died 12/7/1906, wife of John Thomas GOSPER
* Grace Turnbull GOSPER nee COX, born 7/6/1838 died 2/3/1876, wife of John Thomas GOSPER
* Charles GOSPER born 30/4/1865 died 14/3/1875, father John Thomas GOSPER, mother Grace Turnbull COX

Front Fence Columbarium, Row 1, Plot 200
* Myrtle Enid JARRETT nee GOSPER died 29/11/1992

Front Fence Columbarium, Row 1, Plot 212
* Cyril Frank GOSPER, son of Frank Gordon GOSPER and Nina Maud

Front Fence Columbarium Row 1, Plot 213
* Colleen Lynette GOSPER

Central Columbarium, Row 1, Plot 120
* Vilna Lenore GOSPER nee COSTLEY born 2/4/1902 died 26/11/1969, wife of Arthur John GOSPER

Central Columbarium, Row 2 Plot 75
* Lala Celia CLISDELL nee GOSPER, born 13/6/1894, died 9/1/1979, wife of James Adam GOSPER

NSW Baptism Record - Mary Ann GOSPER born 16/6/1827 baptised 19/8/1827 Wilberforce, father John GOSPER, mother Hannah

NSW Birth Record - Mary A GOSPER born 1823 WIndsor, father Thomas GOSPER, mother Mary

NSW Marriage Record - Thomas BYRNE married Mary A GOSPER in 1847 at Macdonald and Colo River

NSW Birth Record - Cecilia M BYRNE born 1854 Goulburn, father Thomas BYRNE, mother Mary A

NSW Birth Record - Jane BYRNES born 1860 Goulburn, father Thomas BYRNES, mother Mary A

NSW Birth Record - Elizabeth S R BYRNES born 1854 Albury, Goulburn, father Thomas BYRNES, mother Mary A

NSW Birth Record - John BYRNE born 1862, father Thomas BYRNE, mother Mary A

NSW Birth Record - Elizabeth BYRNE born 1864 Goulburn, father Thomas BYRNE, mother Mary A

NSW Death Record - Mary A BYRNE died 1893 Molong, father John BYRNE, mother Johannah B

NSW Death Record - Mary BYRNE died 1901 Carcoar, father Thomas, mother Mary

I have done a lot of research on the Thomas Byrne who was born on 3 July 1825 on Haycock Reach on the Hawkesbury River, the son of Francis Byrne and Sarah Hibbs. Based on extensive research of available records supported by strong DNA evidence, I believe that Thomas is my third great grandfather. He married Rosannah Quin in St Philips in Sydney on 15 June 1847. I can provide this information if you are interested.

I realise that there is a lot of conjecture around Thomas Byrnes with at least four alternative candidates for persons who married him in family trees on Ancestry.com. These alternatives are:
1. Mary Ann Gosper,
2. Sarah Fisher,
3. Jane West,
4. Mary Dawdle.

There is little evidence to back up any of these four alternatives:

1. The Thomas Byrns who married Mary Ann Gosper was the son of Patrick Byrns and Elizabeth Caffery. Based on his death certificate (8378/1892) he died on 11 July 1892 in Coates Creek.

2. The Thomas Byrnes who married Sarah Fisher died in Victoria on 8 August 1870 and his death record notes that he was born in Dublin (BDM death in Victoria 7678/1870).

3. Thomas Byrnes is recorded by BDM marrying Jane West in 1846 (676/1846). The family trees on Ancestry have this Thomas dying in 1853 and his widow, Jane, marrying Christopher Leeson in Maitland in 1854 and moving to the north coast of NSW. There are three Thomas Burn*/Byrn* who died in 1853/1854 with little information on place of birth or family. Any of the three could have married Jane West in 1846. The most likely is the Thomas Burnes who died in Glebe in June 1853. The evidence seems to suggest that the Thomas Byrnes who married Jane West in 1846 could have been the Thomas Byrne who arrived as a convict on the Elphinstone in 1838.

4. A Thomas Byrne married Mary Ann Dawdle in Windsor on 25 May 1842 (BDM 1632/1842). The Thomas Byrne born on 3 July 1825 would have been 16 years old on 25 May 1842. The details in the family trees for children are not supported by records.

I have detailed notes and copies of certificates to support these conclusions.

Hi,
Could you please add sources into the profiles and I can then lock the profiles to the correct wives.

Thanks
Leanne