Bauck Taeckesdr van Camstra - Merge required

I think I have already added the information with all the new profiles .. at least I thought I did I will recheck. :)

I have already contacted a few other co managers so some are aware of what's going on at the moment.

you say ...."There is in fact at least one other duplicate, Bauck Taekes van Camstra, which looks to be very "unreliable"."

I've already told you that Gerene Mae Jensen Mason has been compromising many profiles so its know doubt they don't make sense. But not to worry I will fix it LOL

BTW I left this Bauck Taekes van Camstra as a floater ... the Bauck Taekes van Camstra was NOT a male and the sex of his wife was also wrong.. I tried to change everything to read NO NAME but I cant change them for some reason but I was able to change his father to NO NAME... That was they wont be found ever again and merged into the Geni tree.

Dorothy,
Please do not do that to Gerene's profiles, it would be a breach of Geni's anti-vandalism rule.

The fact that she has mixed up the genders of this couple is very easy to correct. Once we have the MP lineage locked down merge in these other profiles will not damage the protected profiles. This is one of the main reasons for making MPs.

While not the case here it is not uncommon for American users to create profiles for Dutch ancestors named Jan to think that this is a woman. Indeed in many English speaking countries Jan is a woman's name but my uncle Jan is definitely not a woman... at least a week ago he wasn't! A few years ago i worked with a Polish engineer who was constantly surprising new clients by turning up to meetings wearing a full beard, rather than a skirt and blouse, his name was Jan too.

I am still wondering why you made a new profile and removed connections from the MP to the new profile? If I can understand the process you are following it will make working together much easier.

Alex I found many doubles even triples of the same MP profiles but some were not made MP statis. Anyway there are /were many branches that were the same but some missing siblings. So while my way might be strange it's working and helping me find so many of the same profiles and merge them as the same person.

BTW Gerene's profiles in many cases are also my own. She compromised some of them. In many cases I found doubles of the same people. There are many profiles I made in the past that are not even remotely close to what I originally add in 2011, 2014 or even in 2016. They are being merged in the wrong places and dates are being changed etc..

All I am doing now is FIXING the mistakes. But I can quite if you think I am breaching Geni's anti-vandalism rules.

Quit I mean

Deleting the names out of someone else's profiles and replacing them with No Name is vandalism.

Fixing mistakes is not.

One of the profiles i spend a lot of time maintaining currently has 407 managers, this means that at some point AT LEAST 406 people have created duplicates for that man even though he is a very prominent profile on Geni. Just last week I had to merge in 6 duplicates which also involves merging in wives, parents, children, etc. Sometimes these mini duplicate trees are good quality, sometimes the manager even copies and pastes the text from the ABout of the MP into their profile's About?!!? Sometimes the mini-trees are wrong or confused.

My point is that duplicates are a lot of effort, you are not alone in your frustration. Deleting other peoples profiles is not the solution tho.

I've MP'd the 1370 Take Pieters van Camstra and added a Curator Note that his link to his father is speculative based on the information at http://www.simonwierstra.nl/CAMSTRA.htm

I have also added the relevant text from that site to his ABout with a hyperlink, I have not translated it so as to avoid changing the author's intented meaning.

Further, I have change Take's surname to "van Camstra" rather than just "Camstra" but added "Take Camstra" to his Also Known data field so that searches for that name will still show him up. If other the "van Camstra" name is only found on that specific website then we can revisit.

I'm working off http://www.simonwierstra.nl/CAMSTRA.htm until something better comes along.

http://www.stinseninfriesland.nl/CamstraState.htm seems to present a slightly different family structure (if i am understanding correctly) but as it is a website for castles not genealogy I am not giving it equal weight.

ok . I have almost all the http://www.stinseninfriesland.ni sites for almost most of the nobles saved if you need more. BTW the Simonwiertsa home page states

accountability:
Posting on the Internet of these genealogies old Frisian aristocracy yielded many positive responses, but also a negative.

I was accused that I had not carried out its own thorough genealogical research.

But research in archives all of the dishes and down in the family archives of course, was impossible; which had become too time-consuming and I would definitely to me vertillen. Consult all the literature about this nobility was also unfeasible.

The only intention was therefore to be people from outside Friesland service if they encounter in their research on ancestors from the Frisian nobility.

In addition, I have listed all the genealogies that the reliability of certain persons and filiations to be desired; you will have to verify themselves and have to make further inquiries.

Many thanks are due to Mrs. Joke Koster-Griffin Purmerend, who managed to detect by comparing the files and clerical errors in it and brought it to me regularly informed by e-mail ..
For additions, corrections and ask: like my email address s.wierstra@versatel.nl

here is the home page translated to English
https://translate.google.ca/translate?hl=en&sl=nl&u=http://...

the original page in Dutch
http://www.simonwierstra.nl/index6.htm

It's been very helpful for me to build the tree but many siblings are missing and dates of birth and deaths are not on that site too for many profiles. There is a member on Geni that is a not so dissent cousin of mind that works in the Leeuwarden Historical Society and he has been helping me too. He and I are co managers of many profiles. So I trust what he posts. Unfortunately many of his profiles have been compromised too. I haven't seen him posting much anymore on Geni. lately.

He is on my FB and so is a couple of other Geni curators that I've also collaborated with a few years back. Again even thier profiles have been changed too and miss merged etc... So I am trying to do my best with what I have on my Ancestry tree and find all the misplaced profiles and put them back in order. I might have different dates than other add on Geni but the names and who they are the same. Plus all the stories and pictures I've found about the people is a plus.

fixing geni is something I must do . I cant help myself LOL That's where my OCD comes in LMAO. Please forgive me if I sound angry or whatever. I am truly not ... just very "hyper" ... is that the word I am looking for ? LOL.

http://www.stinseninfriesland.nl it's not just for castles, it's for the property that the nobles owned and who inherited it down the branch to in many cases present day. There are also many museum sites that tell the stories of the families too. The Simonwierstra page is good but not always correct. Plus it only goes so far on many branches... I think about the 1400's Many braches do go further not shown on the Simonwierstra page. that's where Wikipedia and site of that nature come in handy and many e-books too (mostly written in Dutch) but I have my mother in law to help me translate them.

BTW I should add that being a member on Ancesrty Paying for the best package I get a lot of information about marriages , births deaths etc... many from WeiwasWei and a few other site that they are affiliated with. I can share that too.

None of which explains why you created a duplicate Bauck and removed the parents and husband and one child from the MP'd Bauck to her.

By the way the fact that the Wierstra page has a disclaimer makes me like it more not less :)

Have you even been paying any attention to ALL the other merges of double even triples of other branches that are connected to Bauck which BTW was on the tree a few times. Why are you so fixated on this?

What part don't you get ... the original profiles of HER were already on the tree no less than 3 times just on different branches created by other members. The same can be said for HER father Taco Camstra ... I had this and ALL the connecting branches finished a few years ago. JUST THE WAY YOU SEE IT NOW! But curators and other members comprised all those profiles that myself a a few other member added and moved them around going by what they found on other trees they came across on the internet. Myself and the other co managers worked together till Gerene comes on the site in 2016 and changed them!!!!!!

I am feeling very unappreciated now so I QUIT trying to make Geni right.

And one more thing ....You are NOT the only curator or member that I am collaborating with. Many of the MP profiles in question WERE on the more than once for years. ALL I did was merge them as the same person. PLUS I've been adding children that were NEVER added to Geni to help build a bigger FOREST version of the tree. I most certainly do not benefit by doing this. I just wanted to help.

Do NOT forget Gerene is new... Many of the HER new profiles that she's added in 2016 were already on the tree for years. TEACH her how to use the "search" . You'd be surprised how many doubles or triples etc...of the same profiles you'll find that need to be merged. I have merge so many over the past few weeks it's not even funny Many branches are/were also on the tree many times too... why you might ask ... because members do not use the search and re-add the same profiles over and over again. So IF there was ONE that happened to be made MP static and it was merged with another profile of that person that was NOT made MP status is not my problem. I most certainly and NOT trying to as you say "breach of Geni's anti-vandalism rule"

You have no idea how many of my own profiles that are ruined . You yourself are guilty of that. You did it the other day. And as for adding about me facts as you've requested... bin there don't that many times ... do members even read them? NO!!!. so it's a waist of my time and effort.

Just because the names are the same does not mean they are the same person. People do not check the birth dates. So because of this Geni is messed up. and in a few cases member messed up the genders so that too messes up the tree. leaving other member to add the right gender and make double of those branches.

So .... to some this up ....all WAS doing is trying to correct things.

Dorothy Smid,

Is there any reason why we cannot merge Bauck Taeckesdr van Camstra with Bauck Taeckesdr van Camstra?

The only conflict would be dates of death, however, a 6 year margin of error on a 600 year old profile is not something that would preclude a merge in this case, in my opinion.

https://www.geni.com/path/Dorothy-Smid+is+related+to+Bauck-Takes?fr...

https://www.geni.com/path/Dorothy-Smid+is+related+to+Bauck-Taeckesd...

We will have to go up and down the branches to see were there is mistakes.

This is how my relationship goes on my Ancestry tree

Relationship between Bauck Takes (Takodr) Camstra & Dorothy Jane Smid.

Bauck Takes (Takodr) Camstra (1350 - 1420)
16th great-grandmother

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Epe Lollesz Ockinga (1370 - 1418)
son of Bauck Takes Takodr Camstra

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Lolle Epesz Ockinga (1408 - 1466)
son of Epe Lollesz Ockinga

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Katryn Lollesdr (Tryn) Ockinga (1448 - 1504)
daughter of Lolle Epesz Ockinga

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Claes Pieters Syarda (1480 - )
son of Katryn Lollesdr (Tryn) Ockinga

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Diew Claes Pieters (1510 - )
daughter of Claes Pieters Syarda

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Tryn Rommertsdr (1532 - 1578)
daughter of Diew Claes Pieters

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Haije Wytseszn Algera (1562 - 1641)
son of Tryn Rommertsdr

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Binnert Haayes Algera (1599 - 1693)
son of Haije Wytseszn Algera

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Haije Binnerts (1630 - 1693)
son of Binnert Haayes Algera

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Etje Hajes (1650 - 1689)
daughter of Haije Binnerts

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Zytze Jacobs Yapicks (1691 - 1762)
son of Etje Hajes

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Hendrik Sytzes Jager (1732 - 1807)
son of Zytze Jacobs Yapicks

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Hendrik Hendriks Jager (1783 - 1866)
son of Hendrik Sytzes Jager

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Anne Hendriks De Jager (1834 - 1913)
son of Hendrik Hendriks Jager

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Elske Annes Jager (1864 - 1944)
daughter of Anne Hendriks De Jager

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Willem Cornelis Postma (1907 - 1980)
son of Elske Annes Jager

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Elske (Ellie) Postma (1935 - )
daughter of Willem Cornelis Postma

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Dorothy Jane Smid
You are the daughter of Elske (Ellie) Postma

I'm not even sure if some of those profiles are even on Geni yet... I've noticed on many branches, many siblings are not on Geni yet.

Back in 2014 I was adding many profiles but a curator and I got into it so to speak and I quit adding on Geni and went to Ancestry.ca. I am still building my tree there toobut thought 2 weeks ago I would save a GEDcom file of the Geni tree and compare them... That's when I noticed all the mistake .. and here I am for the last 2 weeks now trying to fix them all.

The van Heemstra branches was where I started .... someone back in 2012 made the sonof a father his father (if you understand what I mean) so members stated adding to the tree changing the dates to compensate for the extra van Heemstra profile. It was messing up all the connecting branches and relationships of everyone. It took me a week to finally figure out what was wrong and an other curator helped fix all that mess. But now I am finding multiple profiles and branches of the same people all over the Geni tree and trying my best to merge them all together. And yes in some cases I've had to disconnect profiles from their parents to fix the tree because they were in the wrong order. But I thought with Bauck's profile I put her back were she should be .. I guess I forgot to do that.... I am sorry.

Dorothy, I'm not new here on Geni, I've been a member since 2013 and I've worked with Alex before and feel very comfortable with his knowledge and work, He is welcome to merge any of my profiles and double check my work to make sure it's correct. I have never tried to compromise any profiles here on Geni. You've got remember you're not the only person who has knowledge on these profiles. All of us need to work together to get the right corrections and sources into these profiles. Thanks for everyone's help!

Gerene I will apologise in advance for posting this BUT.....

UN MERGE is more the correct term we are aiming for here .

Pease explain why last night you felt the need to merge and add a wife to one of the Frans Goffes Roorda's profiles? In doing do YOU messed things up even more on an already compromised branch that I am TRYING to fix?

Why are you changing dates on many profiles I co mange and others also co manage without asking if it was OK and or the right thing to do?

PLEASE explain why you've managed to merge at least 3 (that I've noticed ) "Frans Goffes Roorda's profiles all as the same person?

Don't you realize what you are doing is really NOT HELPING but ruining the tree and everyone's relationship on GENI that are attached to these Roorda branches and others connect to them?

Please explain how 4 sibling born between the ages1330 to 1345 have a father born in 1130 and his father was born in 1270? Does that look and sound right to you?
YOU did that last night! I can read the revisions and see what you've been doing. Not liking it much at all.

Alex and other curator have been trying to fix things on other branches now for 2 weeks that you obviously haven't realised YET...the profiles you've been adding were already on the tree! some have been up for many years.

Helpful HINT here from me to you... Try using the "search people" bar before you add more of same people to the Geni tree? It work wonders and saves people like me and or curators from having to merge the same people over and over again the same people. Oh and you might want to make sure the GENDER is correct to.

PLEASE STOP changing the birth dates etc...on profiles as well. If it wasn't right the first time on those profiles ...it sure isn't right now after all the changes you and 2 others made to many profiles on this and other connecting branches .

Do you have any idea how many profiles you and these same other members have added since late 2016 that I've been merging now for 2 weeks ?

I've been at it trying so hard to correct the tree that you've helped corrupt. I suffer from OCD do you have any idea what that means ? I have this uncontrivable erg to fix the tree so it's back in order.

Then last night you go and yet again start merging and add wives to profiles (if they were not already corrupt) that have UNKNOWN wives according to history books and other reliable sources

And to make matters even worse you go and add a wife but NOT make her the mother of her husbands children.

You just posted "you're not the only person who has knowledge on these profiles"
Just were do you get your information from? I also have to ask myself ...."Can Gerne do simple math"?

BTW ... You need to know that some of the profiles you're co manger are with myself included and a cousin of mind WHO WORKS FOR THE HISTORICAL SOCIETY IN THE NETHERLANDS .... He has full and complete access to all the original documents of the ancestors we all add to the Geni tree. Make no mistake here... He trumps us ALL with the knowledge he has and is kind enough to share this information with the GENI members . But you HAVE made changes to these profiles and in doing have corrupted them with what your so called knowledge . I really have to ask you again , where do you get your knowledge from again?

You just posted above " All of us need to work together to get the right corrections and sources into these profiles. Thanks for everyone's help!"

Do you ever read the "About me" information that's been posted in the profiles you have now corrupted? Highly doubtful

I would love to say to "Thanks for your help Gerene" But.... I don't feel you're helping much at all...All you've accomplished is giving member like myself who really do fix the tree and the curators even more work correcting your mistakes.

So please can you STOP merging anymore profiles till the tree is fixed the way it should be . And do try to CHECK THE DATES on profiles before you merge them in the future.

THANK YOU!!!!!!!! and have a nice day.

One more thing.... I have been a member since 2008. Been building my tree here for that long but have been into Genealogy for longer than that. 3 years does not make you an expert. and going by your merging skills an expert you are NOT.