John Wilkins, I - Problems with his ancestry

Specificallky, this profile John Wilkins

appears to be a duplicate of this one: John Wilkins

The Master Profile has what I believe to be the correct parentage, though the tree does not extend very far.

I agree Private User that it certainly seems to be the same profile or has over the course of people adding information on the internet got convoluted with another John Wilkins but this one has different parents. If it's merged then parents get all screwed up. I'll delete until I have further sources and better information. But was using this as a place holder but have been working on other closer profiles and just haven't gotten back to this one as he was a Great Uncle and not an ancestor and therefore not a priority to me.

Now I'm trying to reconstruct how I came to think that Robert and Margaret Wilkins of Oxfordshire were John Wilkins i's parents. I think it may have been over-optimistic interpretation of insufficient data. :-(

Or maybe it's yet another case of mistaken identity.

The current version of the Miles Files (17.0) has NO parents for John Wilkins, I. Not even a wild guess.

Not getting consistent results for Robert Wilkins either, and NO primary documentation.

Apparently *a* Robert Wilkins was born in Deddington, Oxfordshire, circa 1565, and *a* Robert Wilkins married a Margaret Lewis of "Lysdale", Essex. But -- were they the same man?

Complicating the matter is that "Lysdale" no longer seems to exist, and is referenced ONLY in family trees for Robert Wilkins, Margaret Lewis, and (sometimes) their son(s).

There are indications of mash-merging on Thomas Wilkins, stated on various family trees to have been a son of Robert and Margaret. His dates are sometimes given as 1584-1590, which is absolutely incompatible with conflicting claims that he married Hannah Nichols and fathered Bray Wilkins of Massachusetts (another Wilkins with NO proven ancestry, BTW). Moreover, his "birthplace" is sometimes given as Somerset, and it is sometimes claimed that he died in Tetbury, Gloucestershire, England - which are plausibly related to each other but NOT to Essex.

Semi-consistent claims that Margaret Lewis died/was buried in 1594 do not compute with the probable birth date of 1599 for John Wilkins I (age stated as 26 in the 1624/5 Muster roll).

Tagging Robert Wilkins, Sr
Tagging Margaret Ann Wilkins

Can we get back to this again, please?

John Wilkins, I →

Robert Wilkins, Sr
his (alleged) father

The "evidence" for this consists of: 1) same last name and 2) birth date within a reasonable range. But "Wilkins" is a common surname, and there are geographical issues and a date conflict. Robert Wilkins is cited as having been born in "Deddington, Oxfordshire", but marrying Margaret Ann Wilkins of Essex, in a time when it wasn't usual for ordinary people to travel so far. (Members of Parliament, yes, they got around, as did their relatives. But there is no Wilkins on the MP list between 1509 and 1629.) Moreover, Margaret has a death date of 1594, so she was certainly not bearing any children in 1599.

No one on the west side of the Atlantic has ever found a shred of evidence as to the parentage of John Wilkins, I.

Robert Wilkins of Oxfordshire *may or may not* be the same person as the husband of Margaret Wilkins (birth name unknown) of Essex.

I'm not sure where this all comes from, possibly an outdated version of the Miles Files (which currently gives no parents for John Wilkins, I), or possibly someone's WAG that got taken for fact.

I've disconnected the parents of John Wilkins, I and locked the relationships to those new {unknown} parents so they can't be added back.

If the wives & children can be cleaned & completed, then I'll lock the next generation's relationships, too.

FYI: Locking relationships does not prevent editing of profiles; it is separate from locking individual fields of the basic profile information.

Thanks, Dan. Will check current info against Miles Files - can't do much with the Essex family, maybe someone in that area can dig into it.

Excuse me, my last name is Wilkins and I was wanting to figure out if I am related to John Wilkins, I. Is it possible to find out his family tree extended to the present day?

Unfortunately the Miles Files get spotty after about 1750-1800 - there's a chart here https://espl-genealogy.org/MilesFiles/site/ui45.htm#a0 that may be helpful. Holler if you see any names you recognize! :-)

Thank you

None of the names seem familiar... thanks anyway though