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Dear Mark -

I'm trying to get more information on my great-grandfather's family - Samuel Hercz (@ Sándor / Sámuel / Salamon / Izidor Hercz). He brought the Hercz name into a branch of my current family (my father changed my family name from Hercz to Hamos in 1950, when we lived in Hungary).

From Yahrzeit memorials, I know that there are numerous others with the last name of Hercz or Herz who are related, but I haven't been able to connect them to Samuel. There seems to be a branch with descends from:
(a) Jakob Herz and Jetti(Yetty) Klein - for example, Armin Herz (https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:33SQ-GRFB-SHBT?i=327&am...), and
(b) Samuel Hercz and Roza Reiner. Roza died shortly after my grandfather, Aladar (Aladár Hercz), was born and Samuel then married a 2nd wife.

Any help that you can offer on connecting these branches would be much appreciated. Numerous descendants of the branches have settled in the United States but are unaware of each other in the current generation.

Regards,

Jim Hamos, Washington, DC

Hi Jim
Re https://www.geni.com/family-tree/index/6000000046210964107

I hope you don't mind me butting in here, but as I am someone who has added links to some of the records you have seen and actually live about 25 miles from Paszto in Nograd where your Hercz ancestors resided, I may have something to contribute.

The database I use for Hungarian births, marriages and deaths has well over 1000 Hercz entries (or variants of the Herz surname) so its a bit ambitious to assume all may be in some way connected to your ancestral line. Rather than look for their lines that may connect back to yours, wouldn't it be far better to initially focus on trying to extend the families of those on your tree above and see where some of those lines take you?

Regards Roy

I have added a few more BMD refs for you and noted that although an addition to the birth record for Ilona (born 1911 dtr of Izidor) suggests she died in 1912, a further record from 1938 confirms she not only lived, but also married.

Birth https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:33SQ-GPXW-N4P?i=137
Married https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HT-6FM3-ZD4?i=312

Her Parents deaths
death https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:33S7-9PB8-QXH?i=105
death https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HT-X919-8R3

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Roy,

Thank you for stepping in - I value your perspective and certainly don't believe that every Hercz/Herz is a distant relative.

My current search is about trying to learn more about Samuel Hercz's family. My present family has memorial records from Armin Herz - i've uploaded these in the media section of Samuel Hercz's profile (Sándor / Sámuel / Salamon / Izidor Hercz). You can see many of the recognizable names, including my father, from the branch of Samuel, and his 2 wives, Roza and Ilka Netty.

The puzzle for me is to actually connect Armin Herz's branch which descends from Jacob Herz and his wife, Yetty (Jetti in many records). I've been able to find documents for many of them by look at the records of Gálszécs, Slovakia, where Samuel was born. What I've been unable to do is directly connect the 2 branches which is why I reached to Mark Horn who has been in Gálszécs. The quirk of the Hercz name in Paszto is that Samuel brought with him while his other family members seemed to have stayed in Slovakia or other places (many in the United States).

Please do let me know if I have gone off on the wrong tangent but it seems appropriate for me to try to place the names on the memorial records in the family tree if I can confirm connections and document births, marriages and death.

Lastly, my father was born a Hercz but officially changed the family name in 1950 to Hamos (between when my sister and I were born). My first cousins, however, have maintained the Hercz name (as Hertz) to this day.

Warm regards,

Jim

The 1922 Trianon Treaty split Nograd in half, so after 1922 all those Hungarians living in the north of the county became Slovakians. The problem now is that Slovakia also has all their records, and it's far more difficult for us south of the border to view them. All I can do for you is see what turns up.

Roy

Here are children of Jakab Herz and Jetti Klein:

Ignatz, born 1873: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:33SQ-GRFB-SHXJ?i=600&am...

Besina (likely Resina), born 1877: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:33S7-9RFB-Q5QV?
i=264&cc=1554443&cat=752209

Israel, born 1880: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:33SQ-GRFB-SHBY?i=305&am...

Armin, born 1883 (who authored the memorial records): https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:33SQ-GRFB-SHBT?i=327&am...

Dubi, born 1885: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:33S7-9RFB-QP7L?i=354&am...

Malvin, born 1888: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:33S7-9RFB-Q5JX?i=395&am...

I just can't put them on my family tree because I don't the connect to Samuel Hercz. I have a suspicion that Samuel and Jacob are brothers. Indeed, the listing for Resina notes an Israel Hercz - this is the name of Samuel's father but the name may a common one.

Jim

Two things
[1] The links in your last message and the supporting pages are sufficient to start an independent tree. Do that so that the tree can be augmented by yourself or others later, for the entries may eventually tie into previous researches on Samuel's line. . .
[2] The screenshots you put onto Samuel's profile are a bit too small to be of any use, so I have shuttered and enlarged the one entitled "Blessing" much of which appears to specifically refer to Samuel's family. An interesting study will be to see who the related trees on Geni have omitted.

BINGO
Here is the link from the Jewishgen 1849 Census of the town of Visnyo.
Two of Samuel's brothers were Tobias and JAKOB
Your earlier researches strongly support the above JAKOB as the husband of Jetti Klein

Visnyo Galszecs Zemplén 40 719799#3
HERZ, Israel _ 1802
HERZ, Rezi JAKUBOVITS 1805
HERZ, Tobias _ 1836
HERZ, Samu _ 1841
HERZ, Jakob _ 1846

Note that Rozi Jakab appears as Rezi Jakubvits

This is the updated tree,
https://www.geni.com/family-tree/index/6000000051081999210
Your personal research on Jakob's family needs to be added.

WOW. Thank you so much, Roy. I’ll be adding a lot more in the coming days.

Jim

Roy -

I was able to find the actual record that is part of the 1869 Slovakian census - https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CSRX-3SH7-S?i=579&....

Now, it's time to enter all of the descendants.

Thank you, once again! This is a great puzzle to have resolved.

Jim

Roy -

Please look at http://data.jewishgen.org/imagedata/Hungary/Census1930/Trebisov/101....

I think that this shows Jakab living with his son, Dezidier (Dudi on the current family tree) and Dudi's wife, Reli, and daughter, Magda. On the Armin Herz memorial records this would be David, Bella and Magda Herz (americanized names).

Do you concur or is the leap too much? Jakab and Dezidier are listed as being from Visnyo.

Thanks,

Jim

James Emrich Hamos We are communicating too much on part of the Geni website that is not designed for it. I will message you throug a related profile.
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