Alfredo Pironetti ancestors from Parma & surroundings (in search)

Hey there.

Someone on the italiangenealogy.com website might be able to help. You can also check to see if town records are online on Familysearch. Familysearch.org may have that town's data in an archive. Several Italian towns have given their records up. You may get lucky in find something. But, you need to know the region your ancestor lived in.

Be aware, though, not all town records are online. Good luck!

The Brefotrofio of Parma closed in 1973.

I don't know is their archive has been saved, have you tried to contact the municipality archive of Parma, they may not have it, but they may know if the archive still exists and where:

e-mail:
archivio.storico@comune.parma.it

phone:
0521 031030 or 0521 269723

Also, have you found any record so far? The birth record, the adoption record, the baptism record?

Just to clarify, as your grandfather was born in 1882, and more than 100 years have passed from his birth day, any record regarding his birth has become public (in 1982). The problem is to find if those records still exist, and if they do report the name of one or two parent(s). As by 1917 (100 years to this day) he was already in Finland, I reckon all his Italian records are public (in the sense that, if should they exist, anyone should be able to read them).

I found out that in Parma the foundling wheel was decommissioned in 1872. Afterwards the babies were handed over at an "ufficio di consegna" ("consignment office") in the old hospital of the city. Interestingly, after the old hospital was closed down, the site has been used to host cultural institutions, and among a number of libraries, it hosted until recently both the municipality archive and the state archive. I haven't found out where the old hospital archives are kept, nor if the Brefotrofio archive (or even better the "ufficio di consegna" archive) are still in existence and who is their custodian. The local archivists may know it.

I found out that the "Archivio storico Ex illegittimi ex ospizio degli esposti: carteggio e registri (1860-1960)" of Parma is still existing, and it its custodian is the province of Parma. Italy is divided in regioni, province e comuni, in Finnish you may translate those respectively as maakunta, seutukunta and kunta.
In 2002 the province outsourced the conservation and the management of the archive to a private company, called Italarchivi.
The officer responsible for the archive is reported as being g.annoni@provincia.parma.it, 0521931968 (I reckon +39 0521931968, in Italy they don't remove the 0 when calling from abroad).
Given the involvment of a private company, I reckon they will offer some service to get a digitalised copy of the record you are interested to ("matricola 7978, maschio nato il 10 o 11 Settembre 1882").

Source (in Italian): http://archivi.ibc.regione.emilia-romagna.it/ibc-cms/cms.item?munu_...

Google reports the Italarchivi phone number as +39 0521 613 0201, this is their website http://www.italarchivi.it/, but in your place I would first try to contact the officer responsible for the archive.

I found out Gabriello Annoni is the senior manager, the actual clerk is Andrea Sudati, a.sudati@provincia.parma.it, phone +39 0521 931 685.

This is reported in the form they ask to fill to get access to the provincial archive.

http://www.provincia.parma.it/sites/drupal_lepida_provinciapr/files...

In general, in your case you should select the second option "di avere copia dei seguenti documenti" and then describe the documents you are after, but given that you are not in Italy, they may hopefully offer you a different procedure.

@Alessandro Riolo Alessandro Riolo! You make Our Day! <3 Mille Grazie! We could never have sorted this much info out by ourselves.

Alfredo Pironetti

@Alessandro Riolo. We have baptism document from Parma church and birth documents from Archivio di Stato/Parma and communion document from church in Roccalanzona, wherefrom Alfredo started to travel north. We have contacted to Archivio di Stato via email, but had no answers yet.
We will move forward to these addresses you gave. Thank You once again for this information. regards Juha Happonen, Anna´s son.

Hello and thank You Alessandro Riolo. We wrote to Provincia/Parma and got a response, that our request is registered and they do what they can. It takes naturally time. Now we are waiting and thinking what else to do on the subject.

It is good to hear this kind of good news.

That's great news! I have written to my ancestral town. Haven't gotten a response back. But, I have a plan to eliminate the middleman. >=) I have a cousin in the town. Perhaps she can get info.

Okay, and here is the REALISTIC news from Parma Archives: We received an email telling us that the archives of that Brefotrofio (birth hospital), where Alfredo Pironetti was born 1882, were destroyed during the 2nd world war by a bomb.

"So glad we made it .... (gimme some lovin)", just came to my mind from the rock-hit-tune :D

This is the reality of genetic adventures. Now we wait for dna-matches and consider if it is wort paying more - like for Y-111 tai Y-full results from FTdna (y-67 samples have already been analyzed from Anna´s brothers son Kari Pironetti for the y-line).

Thanks for evedybody and hope you get some results !
Best wishes from Juha Happonen, Anna´s son.