John Charles Pringle, SV/PROG - 1820 Settler

He was the father of the leader

Robert Pringle 65, Agriculturist, together with his wife Beatrice Scott 49 and 5 children, were members of Pringle's Party of 24 Settlers on the Settler Ship Brilliant.

Party originated from Scotland.

Departure Gravesend, London 15 February 1820. Arrival Simon's Bay - 30 April 1820. Final Port - Algoa Bay, Port Elizabeth 15 May 1820

Area Allocated to the Party : Baviaans River, Cradock

Children :

Thomas Pringle 31
John Pringle 28.
William Dods Pringle 11,
Catherine Haitlie Pringle 9.
Beatrice Scott Pringle 3.

His DN https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CSQX-M2KL?i=1215&a...

See also

https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=w84NAAAAQAAJ&printsec=front...

They went together as a family - see https://archive.org/stream/narrativearesid01condgoog#page/n50/mode/...

Am I being dumb here (possible?) They don't seem to be connected on the tree?

DN attached to John Charles Pringle https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CS92-873D-S?i=661&... has him born in Kaapstad.

In about 1801... son of a John/Jan/Ian? Pringle.
Very strange indeed.

John Pringle son of Robert Pringle. SV/PROG seems unrelated to John Charles Pringle.

Sorry - was away for the morning

I misread your note - the link you had was for Robert! My mistake - comes from trying to fit stuff in in snatched time!

Based on the DN I would say not SV/PROG. I will remove the SV status. Also found the following baptism

John Charles
Baptised: 8 Jan 1802
Parents: John & Frances PRINGLE
Source: Military Chaplain at the Cape (Anglican), Cape Town, Baptism register, 1795-1803. Repository: Guildhall Library, London, MS 11569. Transcribed by Charles Fison

His wife's DN https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CS92-B9HX-4?i=535&...

DEPOT TAB
SOURCE MHG
TYPE LEER
VOLUME_NO 0
SYSTEM 01
REFERENCE O/10258
PART 1
DESCRIPTION PRINGLE, ANNA MAGDALENA. (GEBORE FOURIE).
STARTING 1895
ENDING 1895

Just recording the following DNs here as it is interesting -
1) John Pringle born Scotland c 1809 d 1863
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CSQF-XSM8-J?i=1509...

2) John Pringle born Scotland c1791 d.1864
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CSQF-VTZF?i=283&am...

I think they might both be SV/Progs because completely different families?

Thanks for the baptism note.

cf Discussion where I've been looking at the wife: https://www.geni.com/discussions/179739?msg=1208337
There are too many children attributed to her. Wondering if the two separate families might be prone to smerging.

But RE Baptism of
John Charles Pringle
Baptised: 8 Jan 1802
Parents: John & Frances PRINGLE
Source: Military Chaplain at the Cape (Anglican), Cape Town, Baptism register, 1795-1803. Repository: Guildhall Library, London, MS 11569. Transcribed by Charles Fison

John Charles Pringle's DN https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CS92-873D-S?i=661&... gives his mother as Jane Elizabeth Kandelar Pringle :-( :-(

cf Fanny Elizabeth Catharina Jacoba Pringle

I've not really started building up my tree on here but I am a great-great-grandson of John Charles Pringle and Anna Magdalena Fourie on my paternal grandmother's side. She always maintained that the famous 1820 Settler Pringles were related to her father. She called them uncles (but the term was used more loosely in the mid 20th century). I can't see how that would have been possible unless there was an older, historical link that predated them all coming to the Cape. Her recollections were always accurate in other regards so I'm at a bit of a loss on this one because he certainly appears to have arrived in the Cape without the benefit of a ship long before 1820.

Interesting

In fact, I am now reasonably certain that he is descended from Pringles who were living in the Cape Town area prior to 1820, some of whom joined the Great Trek. Whether or not there was a close familial link between them is unclear.

Please upload any docs you have, Gavin. They're always worth their weight in gold.
If you need help building your tree on geni - I'm happy to do it for you.

Is the father, John? Pringle, perhaps this person? John Pringle

Oh no, it seems my hunch was incorrect. From the same source as in the description: "In January 1807, Pringle married Mary-Ann Gordon, the daughter of the late John Gordon of Balmuir (Pringle, 1933). He also acquired the 200-acre property of Oakendene in Sussex, where his widow lived on her return from the Cape until her death in 1830 (Hudson, 1987)."

Although, the second of the two children of John? Pringle was born in 1806, so it is still possible that his original wife (Kennell?) died in that year and that he remarried Mary-Ann Gordon