Running Bear - Proof

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No proof, Information I got from ancestry.com Rebecca Black is my second great Grandmother and was married to Adolphus Ferdinand Walker, If we are talking about the same Rebecca Black.. She is the daughter of Robert Black and according to ancestry and some where else Robert Black is Running Bear, This may be true or they got it wrong

Rebecca Ann Walker (Black)
Gender:
Female
Birth:
January 1840
Death:
June 21, 1903 (63)
Immediate Family:
Daughter of Robert Black and Susanna Black
Wife of Adolphus Ferdinand Walker
Mother of Anna Marie Ferguson

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Robert Black
Gender:
Male
Birth:
1816
Kentucky, United States
Death:
1870 (54)
Newton County, Missouri, United States
Immediate Family:
Husband of Susanna Black
Father of Rebecca Ann Walker
Brother of Rebecca Reese

Robert Black sister;
Rebecca Reese Black

Rebecca Reese (Black) MP
Gender:
Female
Birth:
circa 1808
TN, United States
Death:
1876 (64-72)
Reynolds County, Missouri, United States
Place of Burial:
Webb Cemetery, Piedmont, Reynolds County, Missouri, United States
Immediate Family:
Wife of William Jacob Reese
Mother of Susanne Parker-Hodges; Jacob Reese; Mary Jane Barton-Asher; Catherine Black Barton (Reese); Sarah "Sally" Miner (Reese); Sally McCauley; Elouisa H. Asher; Mahulda Shepherd; Serulda McCullin; Armulda Reese and John Andrew Reese « less
Sister of Robert Black

b circa 1808 in TN d 1875 in MO. buried Webb Cemetery, Black MO

From my mother's (Judy Humphrey) Notes......Rebecca Miner (Black) was 1/2 Cherokee Indian

Residence: 1850 - Reynolds county, Reynolds, Missouri, USA
Reference: 1850 United States Federal Census - SmartCopy: Jan 14 2016, 4:07:16 UTC
Spouse: William Reese Married: February 12, 1829 Marshall,Clark, IL
Children: Susanna "Susan" Reese Hodges Jacob Reese Catherine Reese Barton Sarah Emeline Reese Stinnet Miner Sally Reese Cauley Louisa H. Reese Asher John Andrew Reese Mahulda Reese Serulda Reese McMullin Armulda Reese Samuel Vaughn Reese Mary Jane Reese Barton
Rebecca Black Reese was Cherokee Indian, and her husband William, was said to be half Cherokee, according to Reese researchers. They were said to be from the Cherokee Nation in Tennesee.
The Black family came from Tennesse in or around 1820 and finally settled in Black, Reynolds, MO. It is believed William and Rebecca lived in Illinois perhaps through the 1830's & 1840s before coming to Reynolds county, MO. They were married in Marshall,Illinois. They owned land west of Black, MO.
Her headstone is in Webb Cemetery in northern Reynolds county, off Rt. J, a few miles from Black, MO. Another headstone is near hers, mostly likely that of her husband, William Reese. This tombstone was heavily damaged. It is believed that Rebecca died in the early 1870s.
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Illinois, Compiled Census and Census Substitutes Index, 1810-1890 Year: 1820 Washington, Clark, IL, p. 28 Colonial Census, Listed Rebecca Black
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Illinois Marriages, 1790-1860; Name: Rebecca Black Spouse: William Redden (William Reese) Date: 12 Feb 1829 County: Clark State: Illinois
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1850 Census: Dist. 76, Being, Reynolds County, MO
Listed: William 42 & Rebecca; Children: Jacob, Emeline, Catherine, Sally, Louisa, John, Malulda, Serulda, & Armulda. Same page is daughter Mary J. Reese Barton & family. Susanne Reese Parker was married to Joseph Parker on another census page.
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1860 Census: Black River Township, Reynolds, MO
William Reese 51, Rebecca 51 and a child, Samuel Vaughn 9.
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1870 Census: Black River, Reynolds, MO
Rebeca Ress 62 & Polly 28. Other Blacks and Bartons are on same census page. Inscription: w/o William
Reference: Find A Grave Memorial - SmartCopy: Jan 14 2016, 4:09:54 UTC

Here is the basic meat of information that I have.
ALL INFORMATION IS NOT 100% VERIFIED
Quinan Parker Black
aka: Cherokee name {Hunting Bear}
1790 Tennessee - 1830 Missouri
-m-
Flower Face BLACK
1760 - Virginia in an Cherokee Indian Village--Aug 1 1865 - Iron, Iron County, Missouri
their child
John Spencer BLACK
aka: Cherokee name RUNNING BEAR
1785 - Tennessee -- Aug 1 1865 - Iron County, Missouri
-m-
Hanness Black
aka Cherokee name {Running Deer}
1785 - Indian Village, Virginia, United States -- 1854 Missouri ,
Haness's parents were Singing Wolf born in TN and died in Ohio and Little Feet born and died in Ohio.

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As linked to me, by lineage...

HUNTING BEAR & FLOWER FACE parents of Running Bear
( Quinan Parker ) ( ? Spencer )
SINGING WOLF & LITTLE FEET parents of Running Deer
( no white names found )

( the matrilineal surname would carry over to the son and siblings )

RUNNING BEAR married RUNNING DEER
( John Spencer ) (Haness Black)
REBECCA A. BLACK married WM. JACOB REESE
CATHERINE BLACK REESE married GEORGE W. BARTON
REBECCA A. BARTON married JAMES ANSFORD KAY.
BARBARA ELLEN KAY married ERNEST ALLEN WESLEY SHORT
DONNA SUE SHORT married RONALD K. HEDLEY, SR.
>> ME (Ronald KENT, Jr.) & SISTER ( Kristina Kay - Rosewell )

(Note how the women tried to preserve their female surnames.)
This was lost, with Rebecca Barton, but named after her grandmother.

Looks right on to me

Rebecca Ann Black Daughter of Robert and Sussana Black.....Robert Black is a brother to Rebecca Black Reese and John Spencer who is Running Bear.

Not sure where the TV Indian names came from, but none of these people has any Cherokee connection. The Cherokee never had permanent setllements in Kentucky, they didn’t live in Virginia, Illinois, or Missouri. The photo attached on Ancestry is of a Cheyenne man. As posted above they are all white people found on numerous census records. Some Cherokee moved west to Indian Territory between 1817 and 1830, the remainder lived where North Carolina, Tennessee, and Georgia come together until their forced Removal in 1838.

The picture of quannah parker is not the right photo

MY NOTE: I disagree with with Ms.Forbes. My grandmother, Barbara Ellen Kay (Short), also having Scots / MacKay blood, is the one who told me, as was passed down to her. In addition, you could see the Cherokee in her facial features and somewhat in her natural complexion. Also, somewhere, I have a photo of her mother and twin sister, posing together / standing side by side and they look very Cherokee / Native American. Also, when looking through the matriarchal lineage (which Cherokees follow, as primary), you can see them trying to hold onto the maternal names, both last (surname), then by passing along middle names.* 
I do agree that, save for Flower Face and Little Feet (in my own accounting) probably are Cherokee names, the others very likely are not 
REAL Cherokee names, yet I have their white / American names. 
The photo was provided to me by a distant / unknown relative.
How you KNOW it is a Cheyenne, I would like to know.
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Quannah Parker is incorrect. Quannah was a half breed Caucasian/Comanche war chief. The name I have is Quinan Parker (aka Hunting Bear - likely false name) 

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SUMMARY EXPLANATION: 

Cherokee tribe is matralineal / matriarchal. 

You can see (#6) that when white names where adopted, 

BLACK became the inherited surname (#5), although the wife

was legally bound to take the husbands surname. REESE. 

However, the daughter, Catherine was given the middle name, 

or double surname, BLACK (#4). 

Notice when she had a daughter, she chose to honor the matriarchy, 

by giving her daughter her mother,s first and middle name (#3).

Compare with her grandmother,s name (#5). 

This is where it ended,.. almost. 

My mother gave my sister, Kristina, the middle name of KAY.

(Number are referenced to other information / names, etc.)

*HERE IS A BRIEF: 

Haness BLACK m John SPENCER (Cherokee names omitted.) 

daughter; Rebecca Ann BLACK m William Jacob REESE 

(Rebecca 100% Cherokee) (Wm. 50% - Dawes Roll) 

daughter; Catherine BLACK REESE m George Washington BARTON.

(given maternal surname as middle name)  

daughter; Rebecca Ann Barton (given grandmothers first name)

(twin sister of Polly Ann Barton- LEWIS) 

Rebecca m James Ansford KAY 

daughter; my grandmother Barbara Ellen Kay (SHORT)

Your ancestors are white. They are on the U.S. census as white. They came from Greene County, TN, not a part of the Cherokee Nation. Cherokee people didn’t live in Missouri or Illinois. They didn’t move to those states in the 1820’s and 30’s. They either remained in their homes in the Cherokee Nation or were forced to move to Indian Territory. There were two Cherokee men named William Reese at this time. One moved to Indian Territory about 1834 with wife Rachel and family, the other William Reese lived at Long Savannah in the Cherokee Nation with his wife and family in 1835. They went to Indian Territory on the Trail of Tears.

1. I always felt an affinity towards Native Americans, from the time I was a small boy.
2. My grandmother never mentioned it, until I told her I was going to my first pow-wow and I was 20.
When asked why she had never told me, she said she had been taught it was a shame to whites. (KEEP THAT IN MIND!)
3. My great uncle, her nephew, moved to Indian Territory / Oklahoma and married a Modoc-Quapaw lady. (Juanita)
No one / NONE of the other Native Americans never, ever even questioned him, as to whether or not he was an INDIAN.

If you begin with his father, Marion Kay, and/or my grandmother, Barbara Kay, I can not see how you can not find a link to the
Cherokee. Are you a relative or a researcher (pro or amateur)?? Do you volunteer for Geni.com? (PLEASE ANSWER)

Also, keep in mind that the Kay name (anglicized and also British) was originally connected to the MacKay Clan of Scotland.
There were stories passed down through generations about this fact, also. Why would my grandmother lie about ANY of this?
Do you think she knew that the MacKays fought with Wm. Wallace? No. Did she make up some story about being related to a
Cherokee chief or princess? No. We are not those kind of folks nor in need of some fictional fantasy story for connection to our lineage or good name.

When it comes to documentation / documents, whether under duress, by coercion or personal desire, the truth is not alway on PAPER, but in the BLOOD. One example is name changes. I had an uncle (not related by blood) who took an English/American
name, surname GEORGE. He was Lebanese! I am sure that he had an Arabic name, but probably listed himself as caucasian, also. Oh, yes,.. and aunt Carmen Short-Berra was the model for Blue Bonnet butter, but they changed the lady's eyes to blue and she died her dark hair blonde, but of all the siblings had the highest cheek bones, while my mom might have had the most notable shovel-teeth.
I think, at this point, I should take a DNA blood test. Whatever the outcome of that, I will both accept and post.
Just don't hold your breath. I am extremely busy, buried in tons of paperwork. Until then...

I am a citizen of Cherokee Nation and I have been working with Cherokee geneaolgy for over 30 years. None of your ancestors appears on any Cherokee census or roll going back to 1817. They didn’t live in the Cherokee Nation. They didn’t go to Indian Terrotory. They lived woth white people in white communities and are consistently listed as white. They weren’t named by any relatives on any Cherokee record. Lots of families have stories of a Native American ancestor that are just that, stories. Facts get confused over time, a relative by marriage or a neighbor becomes family, or just wishful thinking are some of the reasons. Looks don’t identify a Cherokee ancestor, documents do. .

Osio!
Yes, I am well aware of qualifications. Feel free to tell me if I am wrong.
1. Must have at least 1/32 blood (DNA). (Previously 1/16)
2. Must have legal documentation of ancestry heritage, to direct relative.
3. Must be officially accepted as a member of the gov. recognized tribe.

As I said, what is in order, now, is having a DNA test performed on myself.

I simply find it extremely difficult to accept, considering all of the BASE facts that I have obtained.
Especially, 1. The matrilineal surnames clung to. 2. The photo of my great grandmother and twin sister.
I have been around and hung out with so many tribes that I can usually correctly tell them what tribe they are from.
(That is if they are not too mixed, but even if related tribes.) Believe me, they looked Native American!
If they did not get put on any legally accepted and recognized listed rolls does not necessarily mean they didn't mingle in and more or less hide, which would harmonize with the fact that my grandmother never told me, until I expressed my feelings and interest. (Very spiritual for me.)

A few examples of my insightful observation ability includes when living in Arizona and being able to discern related tribes, one member from another tribe. I even asked a guide at the Casa Grande if he was Comanche or Cheyenne, not typically so related. He smiled and said, I am a member of the Comanche, but am 1/8 Cheyenne. Another time, I was at a business, speaking with others, and saw this guy and told him, You are Sioux, aren,t you? Yep! IN ARIZONA. Another was an Apache, visiting Missouri.
I can go on and on. I can tell a Pima from a Papago (Toh-OH-no-oh-OH-dam), a Zuni from a Navajo and a Navajo from a Hopi.
But I digress.

I truly appreciate your genealogy work and chiming in, but this will not be resolved unless and until I see no Native DNA documented. Hopefully, a long line of STORIES, as well as looks, will someday be proven TRUE. At least, I sure do hope so!
If not, I have questions for my relatives, on the other side, when I get there. THANK YOU very much, for the information that you have provided, Ms. Forbes, Kathryn. I have shared much of it, already, even before my disputation.

Kent (Low Hawk) Hedley

By the way, I attribute the Seneca (Iroquois relatives) for help giving me my Native name, but only by witnessing that which they found almost unbelievable. It was the Great Spirit which provided the signs, however and foremost.
I accept it, humbly, and use it proudly. That One also gave me a Hebrew name, out of nowhere, which I use sparsely, with even greater reverence. I dont pick and choose names for myself!

So, please allow me to share one short story. After taking my Native name, I had a teeshirt made with the # 16 on it, with the name above, on the back. One day I was at a small, MO state park, where I often went for isolation, in order to meditate, sometimes camp, when I saw a couple floating down the river (big creek) and a hawk flew right over their heads. DID YOU SEE THAT?! they asked me, as they pulled to shore. YEP. We had a short, casual conversation about the park. Then I turned around, bidding them farewell, and walked off. Since I never looked back, I can only imagine the looks on their faces, when they saw the back of my shirt. 😳 😮 ..... 😄 But was I surprised? No. I am very used to it.
I could tell you another, about how my, then, future fiance was coming from NM to see me, in person, for the very first time and got lost along the OK turnpikes and very flustered, calling me for help (locating and directions, via computer map). As soon as I told her that everything was going to be alright, she suddenly made a tiny surprised sound. A hawk landed right by her car, on the ground, near the right, front side,.. no carrion present. As those Seneca boys simply said, YOU ARE BLESSED.

Maybe, it is the Scots in me. I DONT KNOW!

Thanks to Mr. Loman, as well as all others for this conversation.
Hope you enjoyed my little STORIES. 😉

🌽🇺🇸

Couldn't find a GREEN Corn.
Yah bless!

Registration requirements vary by tribe. For the Cherokee, Cherokee Nation has no minimum BQ, you must provide documents showing you are a direct lineal descendant of someone on the Cherokee part of the Dawes Roll. The Eastern Band requires 1/16 minimum BQ, their base rolli is the Baker Roll, you must have lineal desent and meet other reauirements. The United Keetoowah Band requires 1/4 minumum BQ, lineal descent from someone on their base roll. Being a Cherokee citizen or Cherokee descendant has nothing to do with DNA, appearance, feelings, or opinions. It is strictly a matter of direct descent from a documented Cherokee person. No documentaion = not Cherokee.

Being Cherokee (a citizen of one of the three Federally-recognized Cherokee tribes, a Cherokee descendant of a person documented as Cherokee, or claims to be connected to some other tribe doesn’t mean finding some “Native American” DNA, a distant relative who lived in or near the lands of a tribe, or a story that some family member in the past was part of a tribe. It means knowing who your direct ancestors were who were recognized members of a tribe, when they lived, where they lived, how they lived. As any member of any tribe will tell you, it’s not who you claim, but who claims you.

Robert Lee Logan. I believe you are right on in these statements.

A member of your family has had his DNA checked and it comes back to the three lios makers that make up Cherokee tribes DNA. I am looking for information on where this man is buried and what is his number in Cherokee nation..

There are no "Cherokee" DNA markers. The only way DNA can connect you to a specific tribe is if your DNA matches that of a citizen of a native nation and shows that you are a direct descendant or sibling of that person.

I am interested because I have direct SHORT (Native American--likely Blackfoot) and many of these names are familiar to me...my grandma Ossie made it a point that I KNOW "we are related to the Blacks" meaning BLACK surname. I have been following and will continue to follow this discussion. I wish I could weigh in but I am more than happy to offer encouragement from the sidelines.
One day, so much of this will be sorted and we will look back at these types of discussions and shake our heads. IMHO.

My dna comes back with almost 2% native Amerindian DNA.

Quanah Parker AKA Running Bear 's profile is disconnected from any family. He is without parents, siblings, spouse, children.

Also,
He is a LOCKED profile without a curator.
He is not MP'd and yet his profile is locked as though to prevent anything being added.

Is there NO CUrATOR who can add some family to him and CURATE his profile?

Here may be his DUPLICATE: John Spencer Cherokee: Running Bear Black, Running Bear

Quanin parker is not related to family inserted by mistake

I say possible duplicate because family removed from Running Bear were added to him. ex: Rebecca Reese