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I am a patrilineal agnatic descendant of the Ross Mormaer, Balnagown, Rarichies lineages (Ross male lineage), Invercharron and Easter Fearn and I have full knowledge of my genealogy.

I am today the greatest connoisseur in this field and I have access to multiple archives, books and documents on the lineup.
I also have information on the pedigree of '' fearchar mac Tsagirt ''.

I insist on what quality current contributors claim to be able to provide information about my ancestors ?

Regards,
David Réal Stéphane ROSS (from Montreal)

Do your own lines, connect them were they ought to be in the world tree, then you can start to make improvements or corrections if you have good sources and detects any errors. Anything or nothing, here, you still have no ancestors at all connected to your profile, you could start with that and you goes back generation by generation until you find matching profiles here on Geni that already have them, your ancestors, then you connect at that entry, etc.

Is it this profile that you decends from?

Hugh Ross, 1st of Balnagowen

Is this the right project?
https://www.geni.com/projects/Ross-Clan/16196

Yes, I'm from the Hugh Ross 1st of Balnagown line to David Ross 7th of Balnagown, following by William Ross 1st of Invercharron to Robert Ross (son of William Ross 3rd of Invercharron, following by Alexander Ross 1st of Easter Fearn to Alexander 7th of Easter Fearn, and William Ross (son of Alexander of Easter Fearn) to me...
You can see the line in my profle description.
A lot of work and research has been done by many Ross to know this...

Hi Private User.

I'm researching Hugh Ross, son of David Ross 2nd of Balblair. I know he's very distant to your line, but I'm wondering if there is anything in your resources that tells what happened to him.

He is listed in a sasine on 19 Aug 1701 as the third son of David Ross & Margaret Stronach, but I don't know anything of him after that.

Many American families think that he came here & have connected their trees to him, but DNA is now telling us that these lines are not all related, so they can't all be descended from him. I'd like figure out, if possible, which American family is actually related to him, if any at all.

Anything you can tell me would be appreciated.

Thank you.

Dear Mrs. Moore, I do not currently have access to this information at the time of this writing.
However, I will do some research on this sector in the coming months without being able to promise you anything and will be on the lookout for information that may be relevant.
Whether he is from afar or not from my line, I still consider him from my family :)

Regards,
David

It is difficult to have reliable and accessible sources, but there are ...
In my personal notes, as well as the documents to which I have access, there was a union between Hugh Ross 1st of Balnagown and Margaret Barclay of Ury.
The father of Hugh Ross 1st of Balnagown is Hugh 4th Earl of Ross who was in union with Maud Bruce, Margaret Graham and possibly another union, unless it is `` name '' or the title of a of his 2 wives who is the possible 3rd wife.
That makes 2 Hugh '' Ross '' who is in union with a '' Margaret ''. Father and son.
There is a lot of misinformation on the genealogy of these noble characters who marked history and which corresponds to a certain cultural annihilation which one could insert in the chronology of the Highlands clearance.
When the robe nobility continually tries to replace the sword nobility, this can happen.
In short, I have found nothing credible '' for the moment '' that allows me to consider the descendants of the ancestor you are looking for.
Good luck in your research.
Regards,
David

Thank you so much for getting back to me Private User.

Yes, you have come across the same problem that I keep encountering.

Hugh Ross 1st of Balnagown married Margaret Barclay in the 1300s.

But you will find a lot of trees posted on the internet with a Hugh Ross & Margaret Barclay living in North Carolina in the 1700s, even though there is no paper trail evidence of it.

In my mind, someone, at some point years ago, got their facts confused regarding Hugh Ross & Margaret Barclay and their claims have just be repeated over & over to the point where no one questions it.

This 'American' Hugh Ross is often shown as the son of Capt. David Ross, 2nd Laird of Balblair who lived in the Balnagown area in the late 1600s/early 1700s and was, without a doubt, a descendant of the original Hugh Ross & Margaret Barclay.

There is evidence that this Capt. David Ross, 2nd Laird of Balblair had a son named Hugh in the form of a sasine dated 8 Mar 1707 that lists 'Hugh Ross 3rd lawful son'.

This is the Hugh that I would be curious about. Hugh, son of David 2nd of Balblair. He did actually exist.

I'm just not convinced he married a woman named Margaret Barclay & came to America. I would be curious to know what came of him, either way.

Thanks again for responding. Maybe you can keep him in mind in your future research if you do end up looking into the line of these Rosses of Balblair? I would love to know if there is anything more to know of him.

Thanks.
Kelly

Hello😊 I just learned that Hugh Ross, 1st of Balnagowen is my 20th GGUncle 😊

History of The Mackenzies by Alexander Mackenzie, 1879 - 1892

https://www.fulltextarchive.com/page/History-Of-The-Mackenzies1/

Sir Robert Gordon ('Earldom of Scotland,' p. 36) shows that the
Rosses were originally designated O'Beolan and Gillanders
indiscriminately, according to the writer's or speaker's fancy.
He says that -

"From the second son of the Earl of Ross the lairds of Balnagowan
are descended..."
........................

IV. HUGH O'BEOLAN, EARL OF ROSS. He received
charters, of Strathglass and of the Isle of Skye. He married first,
in 1308, Maud or Matilda, sister of King Robert the Bruce, with
issue -

1. William, his heir and successor.

2. Hugh Ross of Rarichies, from whom the Old Rosses of Balnagown,
of whom the last representative in the male line was the late
George Ross of Pitcalnie. This Hugh obtained the lands of Philorth
in Aberdeen-shire, and between 1362 and 1372 he exchanged them with
his brother, Earl Hugh, for the lands of North Argyle, including
the Castle of Ellandonnan. The territories exchanged included
Strathglass, Kintail, and other lands in Wester Ross.

3. Janet, who married, first, Monimusk of Monimusk and, secondly,
Sir Alexander Murray of Abercairny.

4. Euphemia or Eupham, who married, first, Randolph, Earl of Moray,
who was killed at the battle of Durham, and secondly, her cousin,
King Robert II., grandson of Robert the Bruce and first of the
Stuart dynasty. This marriage being within the prohibited degrees
of consanguinity a special dispensation was obtained from Pope
Innocent VI. for its celebration in 1355. She died in 1372.

Earl Hugh married, secondly, also by dispensation from the Pope,
in 1329, Margaret, daughter of Sir David de Graham.

Old sources above, MacKenzie History and Sir Robert Gordon, indicate the Lairds of Balnagowan were from second son of the Earl. Alexander MacKenzie identifies the second son as Hugh Ross of Rarichies, father of the Lairds of Balnagowan.

Wikipedia right now is silent on the mother of Hugh Ross of Balnagowan.

Regarding Hugh, of Balnagowan, could DeBarclay for his wife be a place name? It might be unusual for a mother of the time to be identified by her original family name. Or could they be another Hugh and Margaret entirely?

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