Ludovic Grant - Parentage of Ludovic Gran

http://www.clangrant.org/index.aspx?pid=24

This is an earlier page from Clan Grant; the more detailed page (above) seems to be looking in a “William Grant” direction.

The John Graunt who married Katherine Dick was not the son of according to http://thepeerage.com/p13025.htm#i130244 .

From https://www.clangrant-us.org/?q=page/names-associated-clan-grant

Siol Lewis – The American family known as Siol Lewis is descended from Ludovick Grant, a son of the Laird of Creichie, in the parish of Fyvie, Aberdeenshire. Ludovick was born in 1688 and supported the Jacobite cause at the battle of Preston in 1715. He was captured by government troops and eventually transported to Charleston, South Carolina, as an indentured servant. Ludovick served a seven-year indenture and later traveled to the Overhill Towns of the Cherokee Nation, where he earned a reputation as an honest trader among the merchants, as well as a trustworthy informant to South Carolina officials and Indian Agents. About 1725, he married Eughioote, a Cherokee woman, and had a daughter, Mary. Today, the many hundreds of descendants of Ludovick Grant are known as Siol Lewis. Siol Lewis was recognized as a sept of Clan Grant by our Chief, the Rt. Hon. 6th Lord Strathspey, Sir James Patrick Trevor Grant of Grant, Baronet. Ms. Patsy Edgar is the Steward of Siol Lewis.

I’ve read that, and it’s one of those sites that looks authoritative but has no documentation and a lot of supposition. Ludovic has diffeent parents on Geni. Multiple accounts of the 1400+ prisoners taken at Preston state that the “lords and gentlemen” were tried (about 40 were executed) and their lands forfeited. Many of the men died in prison. About 650 of the prisoners were transported and the remainder were pardoned in 1717.

Eldon Lester Clark You curate. To me it seems that Clan Grant has Ludovic’s ancestry as a “work in progress” (and have made some progress) but there is no support for parents of John Graunt & Kathryn Dick

Who frankly don’t look very “real.” This John Graunt was not the son of Ludovic Grant, 8th of Freuchie and 1st of Grant (he had a died young son John) and was born in a different area from where Ludovic may have originated. The death location seems picked up from Ludovic ?

Should we disconnect and lock relationships?

I think Ludovic’s parents are unknown. From the records i’ve looked at, every Grant family at that tome had a son named Ludovic. Unless someone finds a record that references a son who was imprisoned and transported after Preston, I don’t think there’s anyway to know which couple were his parents. The fact that he was transported strongly points to his parents as ordinary people, not nobiity.

Ludovic Grant, Indian Trader

https://www.clanmacfarlanegenealogy.info/genealogy/TNGWebsite/getpe...

Father Sir James Grant, 7th of Freuchie, b. 24 Jun 1616, bur. 10 Oct 1663, Abbay Church, Edinburgh, Midlothian, Scotland (Age ~ 47 years)
Mother Mary (Margaret) Stewart, d. 18 Dec 1662

Yes, We have that tree on Geni.

Ludovic Grant, 8th of Freuchie and 1st of Grant

The profile is well cited

He had a son John who died young so cannot have been John Graunt

I’m just waiting on Eldon to see.

Clan Grant would have Ludovic’s ancestry if known.

They were excited for the Cherokee trip to Scotland, I remember the news clips at the time. Everyone played lacrosse, the Cherokee won.

Kathryn Forbes I’ve disconnected Ludovic from parents & locked relationships.

Apparently he’s my great aunt (by Marriage) Mother’s ancestor also

Ella Mae "Little Chief" Tooley

Thank you. There are something like 50,000 descendants from that one man. 1 daughter, 3 granddaughters, 27 great-grandchildren, about 200 in the next generation. A very prolific family!

http://www.xmarksthescot.com/forum/f104/cherokee-chief-opens-highla...

The orange flag with yellow stars symbolizing the seven Cherokee clans swayed brightly among swinging kilts and skirling bagpipes at the Highland Games in Nethy Bridge, Scotland.

On Aug. 14, Cherokee Nation Principal Chief Chadwick “Corntassel” Smith served as honorary chieftain of the Abernethy Highland Games during Clan Grant’s annual gathering in the Spey Valley. Heading a delegation of 30 Cherokee from Oklahoma, Smith paraded in the colorful opening procession alongside their host, Lord Strathspey, the 33rd Hereditary Chief of Clan Grant.

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A Scottish connection is by no means unique among North American Indians. Today, there are huge numbers of Natives in Canada and the U.S. descending from Scotsmen who married into dozens of tribal nations. Historically, multitudes of these Scots were driven from their homelands in forced evacuations known as the Highland Clearances. Thousands were exiled war captives. Others joined the British army and were sent to garrisons on the colonial frontier. Whatever the historic causes of their migrations, the result is that many tens of thousands of North American Indians now trace some of their bloodlines to Scotland.

Half a dozen of the principal chiefs of the Cherokee Nation since the late 1700s descend from Scotsmen such as John Adair, Anthony Foreman, Ludovic Grant, Daniel Ross and John Stuart (called “Bushyhead” by his Cherokee in-laws).

I knew I remembered correctly!

Clan Grant would be very excited to have found Ludovic's origins. It sounds like they've made progress but they're not there yet.

I'm late to the party. I just stumbled on this discussion and it took a while to find the profile I curate. Ludovic Grant

What are you trying to do here?

We disconnected Ludovic from Bogus ancestry. Nothing for you to do except argue about it if you wish. :)

There is a line in the overview that should be annotated.

Ludovic, 2nd Baronet of Dalvey [no, he wasn’t]

Actually there’s more about his parents & lairds & so on that should be addressed.

There’s a reference to John Graunt died in Charleston, speculation he’s related; Geni had him as Ludovic’s father.

He was not a baronet, Clan Chief, anything like that. Clan Grant is looking at a cadet line from the Dalvey group and have targeted a William Grant in Creichie, but clearly nothing has panned out yet.

So addressing the overview notes is another step.

Relationships are locked.

Some people claim that 'Ludovic' and 'John' are Scots and English versions of the same name, but there is no evidence that 'our' Ludovic ever went by 'John'. The only early records that are confirmed for him are the prison record for Ludovic Grant of Fyvie, and the ship's manifest, showing when and where he came to America. Nothing is known of his indenture. After his arrival, the earliest records we have for him are from his time as a trader to the Cherokee. The date and place of his death are also uncertain. Many trees use a barely-legible tombstone at St. Philip's church in Charleston as evidence of place and date, but there is no church or other record confirming.