Isabel King-Dial (Ferguson) /enrolled Southern Tuscororan - Enrolled Tuscaroran?

Just got clarity on this.

The suffix field is where that one is listed.

The one that was needing clarity came back as Meherrin, base enrollment, and was put into the About Section of the wife of the Meherrin wife of the Immigrant Henry King.
This is state recognized enrollee information.

There was no such thing as an "enrolled" tribe member in the 1700s, and there were no state-recognized tribes at this time, either.

Was it Meherrin or Tuscarora?

I don't feel that the suffix field is an appropriate place for tribal membership or ethnicity (unless this was a sort of unofficial title or nickname used in the person's lifetime). It would be more appropriate to add this to the Overview tab. There is also a specific field for ethnicity in "Edit Profile," under Personal, which will be visible if you are one of the profile managers. The info would appear on the right side of the profile page.

I've been seeing more and more profiles with tribal affiliation added to the suffix field and I find it disturbing. Especially when in the form of blood quantum ("Half-Cherokee")!

But I will be happy to yield to whatever Isabel's descendants prefer, and hope they will comment (I am a descendant of Isabel's stepsister Jean Bell Byrd).

Henn Sarv

Heard back on this. Meherrin for the Immigrant King's wife and Southern Tuscororan for Isabel King. About enrollments on record, not only but also, the deed work for Bennet's Creek being the first reservation in the Brit Colony and the tribes mentioned not kept records of their enrollee; which, this group actually leased lands to others outside the tribe too, very good at records. Sorry this is disturbing.

Please, add sources to the overview tab.

I know there is a King Tuscarora family of the Indian Woods, but I don't know for a fact if this is the same family, or if it is, how far back the Tuscarora ancestry comes in. To my knowledge, neither of Isabel Ferguson King's parents were Native, but I'm always very happy to be proven wrong by someone with better sources.

There is a Geni Wiki on Native Naming Conventions, regarding name fields, ethnicity fields, etc.

https://wiki.geni.com/index.php/Naming_Conventions#Native_American_...:

Bellinda, adding an email address is not the same as citing a source.

Please, cite your source!

Emails to the enrolling chiefs of both core lines is the source.
The Core line information would be up to them to provide.

Then the Tuscarora info should be removed until there is a cited source. For this profile, and for Isabel's daughter Catherine (my aunt through John Byrd).

Catherine Byrd Smith, enrolled Southern Tuscororan

Erica, you're curator on some of the connected Byrd profiles, could I tag you in here?

Erica Howton

I haven't been able to locate any info on whether the Fergusons were Native. Possibly some of the Kings, but it's not yet clear to me if they were, or if they were Native this far back, or only Native through marriage in later generations. I'd be delighted to see some sources.

I have a cousin from this King line who may be able to help.

I moved the names over to the “also known as” field which shows very easily in search.

In addition, Geni has talked about developing an “attribute” box. As I understand the concept, it would “float” along with the profile and could be filled in with useful information you don’t want in a name (because a name should be a name). An example could be a published reference number in a book; and I could see it for tribal enrollment (which is different from ethnicity).

Of course we have the project tool, but I think Bellinda is after ways to easily see, group, and sort information, and name is not always the best tool for that.

I’ll ask Geni to think about this development project again; they’re mad busy developers with a lot on their plate, but I really think this could be very helpful to Geni members.

Yes, it is really helpful to see from the push pin trek from a glance; and, yes, enrollment is different than a self ID. Hopefully that attribute box will help.

Isabel Ferguson
1708–1741
BIRTH 1708 • Chowan, North Carolina, USA
DEATH MAY 1741 • Bertie, North Carolina, USA
wife of 8th great-uncle of husband of 8th cousin 2x removed

@Bellinda Gail Myrick Barnett Michael King Sr. (1680 - 1741)
8th great-uncle of the husband of 8th cousin 2x removed
Henry King (1650 - 1716)
Father of Michael King Sr.
Elizabeth King (1670 - 1728)
Daughter of Henry King
Elizabeth Parker "Native Line" (1676 - 1752)
Daughter of Elizabeth King
Rachel Hunter "Native Line" (1724 - 1783)
Daughter of Elizabeth Parker "Native Line"
Anne Walton "Native Line" (1767 - 1842)
Daughter of Rachel Hunter "Native Line"
Alan Jones "Native Line" (1790 - 1843)
Son of Anne Walton "Native Line"
Jesse Jones "Native Line" (1820 - 1867)
Son of Alan Jones "Native Line"
Mary Elizabeth Jones "Native Line" ( - 1904)
Daughter of Jesse Jones "Native Line"
Phillip Newton "Newt" Hand "Native Line" (1841 - 1926)
Son of Mary Elizabeth Jones "Native Line"
Easter Josephine "Josie" Hand "Native Line" (1881 - 1965)
Daughter of Phillip Newton "Newt" Hand "Native Line"
Virgil Carner "Native Line" (1905 - 1983)
Son of Easter Josephine "Josie" Hand "Native Line"
Vinnie Lee Wesley, "Native Line" (1910 - 2002)
wife of Virgil Carner "Native Line"
James Mitchell Wesley, "Native Line" (1879 - 1960)
Father of Vinnie Lee Wesley, "Native Line"
James B "Pumpkin Jim" Wesley, "Native Line" (1845 - 1927)
Father of James Mitchell Wesley, "Native Line"
Nancy Ann Watson (1808 - 1880)
Mother of James B "Pumpkin Jim" Wesley, "Native Line"
Elizabeth "Betsy" Briscoe, "Native Line" (1779 - 1860)
Mother of Nancy Ann Watson
Jane Delashmutt (1780 - 1859)
Mother of Elizabeth "Betsy" Briscoe, "Native Line"
Lindsey Delashmutt (1754 - 1791)
Father of Jane Delashmutt
Elias Delashmutt (1712 - 1778)
Father of Lindsey Delashmutt
Anne Lindsey (1666 - )
Mother of Elias Delashmutt
Edmund Lindsey II Lindsey (1624 - 1687)
Father of Anne Lindsey

Elizabeth Parker "Native Line"
1676–1752
BIRTH 1676 • New Kent, New Kent, Virginia, USA
DEATH 11 NOV 1752 • Chowan, North Carolina, USA
6th great-grandmother of husband of 8th cousin 2x removed

Marlene Sweatt-Vestal

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Thanks, all--I don't mind noting in the overview tab that she _might_ have been Tuscarora, or that some believe she was, but I'm not comfortable with definite statements without something to back it up! Some later generations of Kings did marry Tuscarora folks (or so I've read--still looking into whether this is the same line), and a descendant named William King leased some land from Tuscarora in the Indian Woods area of Bertie County (and was sued by the Tuscarora for not paying rent), which isn't the same as _being_ Tuscarora. I've been researching the extended family for some years now (I'm directly descended from Isabel's sister and her son-in-law) and have yet to see anything about the family being Tuscarora at this point in time.

@Amy Nordahl Cote, Isabel Ferguson King, if Native, would be Meherrin like Michael King is. King is or was accepted as Meherrin by the research of the old Chief Wayne Brown, who is now no longer with us, R.I.P. and due to the recent historical documentation we now have, which includes an extensive family tree linking almost every modern Meherrin member to the King family. In fact, the most documented historical to modern name of Meherrin in historical records is King.

What is interesting is that historically, the Meherrin and the Tuscarora were often regarded as one people. Meherrin chiefs sat on the Tuscarora council, i.e. Nick Majors on council for the trial of Lawson. Another example is during the inquisition of the Saponi\Catawba by Nathanial Harrison as to why they attacked the Meherrin, killed 12\14 and kidnapped the boy of Meherrin great man Robin King. They replied that it was revenge on the Tuscarora and a white man told them they were the same.