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Erica Howton I always look for source before I post here, because if I can find a source, there's a good chance I'll be able to fix it myself. It's just hard to look for source when the profile is so out of whack.

Would you please unconfirm the MH confirmed matches that give her birth date as 1787? There are 3 of them.

Thank you for your help,

Private User - done.

Not sure what is going on here so I don't really want to split this "family group" up--- please see Hannah Beall

Hannah Beall (Luttrell)
Gender: Female
Birth: circa 1745
Fauquier County, Virginia Colony
Immediate Family:
Daughter of Michael Luttrell, Sr. and Dinah Luttrell (unknown)
Wife of Samuel Beall
Mother of Mary Ann Beall; Nancy Beall and Arabella Anna Beall

There IS Hannah in the will of father Michael Luttrell, Sr. but I doubt her children were born in the 1810's and 1820's

Husband and children came in before on about 2015 and no sources seen now or maybe never?:
https://www.geni.com/merge/view?revision_id=68390381340

The original merges were flawed.

Michael (Luttrell) Literal, I was connected to Dinah (Shumate) Luttrell as her husband with children Lydia Luttrell, FRANKLIN (Luttrell) McKinzey, Hannah (Luttrell) Beall, Nathaniel Luttrell, Sr. and 10 others.
Dec 29, 2010 at 6:49 PM

Samuel Beall was connected to Hannah (Luttrell) Beall as her husband.
Dec 29, 2010 at 6:49 PM

Michael Luttrell was connected to Dinah (Shumate) Luttrell as her husband with children Richard C. Luttrell, Michael Luttrell and Sarah Sally Luttrell.
Dec 29, 2010 at 6:49 PM

Michael Luttrell, Sr. was connected to Dinah (Shumate) Luttrell as her husband with a child Michael Luttrell, Jr..
Dec 29, 2010 at 6:49 PM

The original manager of the later birthdate children is

BETTY WYVONNIA SMITH DECATUR was made primary manager of Hannah (Luttrell) Beall.
Jan 23, 2014

So, will try to undo merge to that manager & family.

Thank you, Erica Howton
I am disconnecting and rehoming children if able
One Wikitree profile has this link for wills:
https://freepages.rootsweb.com/~celticlady/genealogy/luttrell/Luttr...

Egbert Stephensz Van Seyl

This tree is a Dutch immigrant family. The parents both died in the same year, but all of the children were born after the parents died.

Olivia Bell is pretty messed up.

Her birth year is supposed to be 1760/61, not 1721. Her husband is correct, but her birth date is 20 years before him. She was also disconnected from her correct parents (long before the change in birth year).

This merge looks to have been incorrect, which has a birth date 20 years after her 1760 birth date. https://www.geni.com/merge/view?revision_id=74963934650

Olivia/Olive is in her father's DAR record - https://services.dar.org/Public/DAR_Research/search_descendants/?ac...

This is her father - Robert Moseley, Sr., of Georgia

As for the father, I'm not sure if there's some confusion going on with him. His DAR record only lists one wife, and there is a comment: PREVIOUSLY CREDITED MILITARY SERVICE BELONGS TO A MAN OF THIS NAME FROM TRYON CO, NC

If you look at his timeline, two of the children do have a NC birth location, even though he seems to have been from VA and then moved to GA, although he could have moved to NC in between.

Here's the DAR record for her husband - https://services.dar.org/Public/DAR_Research/search_descendants/?ac...

Drury Richardson Needs unmerges and Mp please if applicable
Runs into Brewer and Bolling so of course gets messy

This seems like a good study:

https://www.geni.com/documents/view?doc_id=6000000199132114876

Attached to family of Drury Richardson

Hi - it looks like Charles McIntire has been merged repeatedly and is now a complete mess. He has five wives, some married in Philadelphia, some in Virginia. At least one of the merges was very recent too, and may be unmergeable.

PVT Cary Cox, Sr DAR patriot wounded in war.
One wife, 7 DAR proved children.
I don't know how to correct him without making nearly two dozen children homeless/orphans

Hi,

Josiah Jordan has two locked sets of parents.

Karl David Wright - It looks like Josiah was confused with Joshua.
Since I don't know Virginia at all, are there any sources to help with the two names?

Christina Miller

I came across this profile and I noticed she had 9 children in 1775, two years before her birth date. I think there are problems with her father, too, so maybe that's the root of the issue.

Karl David Wright - best I have so far for Charles McIntire

There’s a relevant book:
“Charles McIntire of Colonial Virginia With Related Bailey, Collyer, Dick, Dow, Enyart, Evans, Hite, Line, Mounts, Pfeiffer, Salisbury, Sheldon, Stewart, Turner, Wilson”. Compiled by June R. McIntire Taylor and Lois M. McIntire Salisbury. (2003)

http://www.digitalshoebox.org/digital/collection/books/id/77970

Folks, I don't have any answers at the moment, and may not have much availability until the weekend either. But if these issues are still outstanding at that time I'll try to work on them.

PVT Cary Cox, Sr

https://www.ancestry.com/sharing/3604992?mark=7b22746f6b656e223a226...

son of William Cox

I don't see Ichabod but he may be correct....
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\Cary COx was merged many times. Likely a Gexccom import is why there are multiples with same name and different dates.
I have started working on them but this is ridiculous... unsourced Gedcoms bringing in a mess no one can clean up.
End of rant.
Not my kin but I am a manager

Erica Howton @Karl David Wright

Here is another book for McIntire family that has similar family lines as I have more than one McIntire line that merges with the profile you guys are talking about. You'll find some information in here as well.

https://ia800907.us.archive.org/28/items/descendantsofphi00mcin_0/d...

@Cynthia I can help with Cox line and see some issues. I have four Aunts that were Cox as they married each other's lines. My Grandparents were Cox as well. The profile fo William is 1st cousin 11 times removed and for Cary is a second cousin 10 times removed. I'll work on Taylor, Richardson,Hill,Cox,Cary, Martin, and a few other lines and post sources. Is there any Cox line that's a mystery or problematic specifically?

I actually was able to find all of the first / second Gen for Charles McIntire & his 4 wives at https://www.geni.com/documents/view?doc_id=6000000199199691864, so I believe we can consider msg https://www.geni.com/discussions/185827?msg=1659485 resolved.

Thank you, Annber Lynn Collins

I did some more clean up and added several sources/references from Ancestry--- I find those book pages helpful and tagged several profiles but it is a short day for me.

I appreciate all the help I can get because I can't stand to walk away from a mess lol
Several of the surrounding profiles are curated so that should help.

Glad to help. I need a requested merge approved on MP for my 13th Great Uncle as it links his wife which is another MP. 340 merge issues popped up with this request.

Lieut. Mark Eames

Erica Howton, thank you! I owe you another.

Annber Lynn Collins - merge done.

Private User - Christina Miller family is sorted. Some of her children had bad dates.

I have to leave this for someone more familiar with this particular branch. I foresee a few minor complications in what otherwise looks like a valid merge.

https://www.geni.com/merge/compare/6000000009611726899?to=600000019...

Col. James Welborn, Jr.
James Welborn, Col

We need someone more familiar with this branch to take a good look at it. I have problems reconciling the wives with wildly varying dates and only scanty sources for reference.

(I may have asked about this before.)

https://www.geni.com/merge/compare/6000000060832404092?to=600000019...

Lt. Pleasant Martin, I
Lt. Pleasant Martin, I
Lt. Pleasant Martin, I

Wife:

Rebecca Martin
Rebecca Martin
Rebecca Martin

Children:

George Washington Martin, Sr.
George Washington Martin, Sr.

Martha Hawkins
Martha Hawkins

Nancy Jopling
Nancy Jopling

Thomas R Martin
Thomas R Martin

Pleasant Martin
Pleasant Martin

The first merge adds a daughter, Sarah Martin , who isn't shown on either the Geni MP or the DAR source. She isn't on his pension file. The SAR website wasn't very useful (maybe it's just me). And nothing on Sarah's profile here (obscure references to Ancestry and American Genealogical-Biographical Index (AGBI): "You do not have permission to view this item") provides any practical evidence. She isn't on WikiTree or FamilySearch either.

https://services.dar.org/Public/DAR_Research/search_adb/?action=ful...
https://revwarapps.org/s2729.pdf
https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Martin-4617
https://ancestors.familysearch.org/en/LCCJ-YWJ/pleasant-m-martin-jr...

https://www.geni.com/list/descendants/6000000060832404092?compare_i...

On the other hand, Pleasant Martin, Jr., missing from his father's Geni MP, is included in the DAR record and elsewhere.

https://www.geni.com/merge/compare/6000000149656146942?to=600000019...

https://www.geni.com/list/descendants/6000000149656146942?compare_i...

It should also be noted that Sarah and her husband Archibald Lacey are actually too old to be daughter and son-in-law of this Pleasant Martin, veteran of the Revolutionary War, who would have been just 10 years old when she was born.

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