Lydia Judkins (Gray) - Need a curator please and thank you

Started by Cynthia Hicks Curtis A183502, US7875087, combined TN491427C1 on Tuesday, January 8, 2019
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Fields are locked. Her date of birth is before the father's and the wrong mother is listed. Thank you in advance.

1/8/2019 at 11:46 AM

This is not so simple.

I added this to her profile from her father’s notes:

Capt William GRAY and Elizabeth JARRETT had the following children:

28 x. Lydia GRAY was born about 1681 in VA.

If the profile of Samuel Judkins, of Medfield u is correct, she was born after her husband died.

1/8/2019 at 11:51 AM

Additionally two different Samuel Judkins have been mixed together.

Collection: FamilySearch Family Tree
Birth: Nov 27 1638 - Boston, Suffolk, Massachusetts, United States
Death: Feb 22 1676 - Medfield, Norfolk, Massachusetts, United States
Parents: Job Judkins, Sarah Judkins (born Dudley)
Wife: Elizabeth Leavitt
Children: Samuel Judkins JR., Elizabeth Judkins, Hannah Vining (born Judkins), Sarah Judkins, Job Judkins


Collection: FamilySearch Family Tree
Death: Feb 13 1671 - Surry, Virginia

Father: Thomas Gray
Wife: Lydia Gray

Children: Samuel Judkins, Samuel Judkins II, Robert Judkins, Charles Judkins

Hi Erica! I saw that you were the curator for the parents.. Yes; many issues here. I have done a little checking in my Ancestry tree but have nothing on her specifically

1/8/2019 at 1:14 PM


Samuel Judkins, Virginia Immigrant Was recreated.

1/8/2019 at 1:16 PM

PS Lydia Pittman parents are controversial. It “looks” like she’s most likely from Thomas Gray, Ancient Planter

1/8/2019 at 1:22 PM

Evidence needed to support Thomas Gray, Ancient Planter as son of Sir Edward Grey, of Howick & Catherine Gray

Not listed which cites

Burke's Genealogical and Heraldic History of the Peerage, Baronetage and Knightage, London, 1938.
Page 1159

[S01354] ~Burke's Peerage and Baronetage, 1999 .

[S01244] History of Northumberland 15 volumes .

1/8/2019 at 1:26 PM

See this document suggesting more likely parents for Thomas Gray

1/8/2019 at 1:37 PM

Dorman in Adventurers of Purse and Person lists the following children born between 1618-1650 for ancient planter Thomas Gray who had at least 4 wives:
William - died young
Another William

No Lydia

Thomas married his first wife, Annis Valentine in London in 1611. She died before the 1623/4 muster.

1/8/2019 at 1:56 PM

That would explain why Lydia has been slipping around the tree, including flying to Boston. :(

What is the evidence to support a Gray last name as birth?

1/8/2019 at 2:15 PM

Will of Samuel Judkins 1672 names wife Lydia, no apparent marriage record or maiden name. Transcript at

Lydia submitted her husband’s will for probate in May, made Thomas Pittman sign a prenup and married him about Sept. 10, 1672. Lydia was dead by March, 1678

1/8/2019 at 2:50 PM

Family of Thomas Gray, Ancient Planter cleaned up & locked up. Proofreading helpful.

1/8/2019 at 2:57 PM

There looks to be a possible line of descent here

unknown Dennis

“John Gray and his wife Mary (d.c. 1683) had one daughter, name unknown who (probably) married William Dennis of North Carolina. In 1683, William Dennis deeded 800 acres that were originally patented by Thomas Gray, Ancient Planter, to William Gray, Thomas Gray's great-grandson.”

This also suggests that there would be Thomas Gray land in Lydia’s line (?)

1/8/2019 at 2:58 PM

(IF she was from this Gray family, that is).

Do we know what became of Rebecca Gray

1/8/2019 at 3:31 PM

In looking at the Wikitree profile for Lydia, they perhaps are mixing up William Gray with his same name younger brother Capt. William Gray, of James City

“Lydia Grey/Gray was most likely born after 1640 (interpolation). She was the daughter of William Gray (1622-1714, Surry County, VA), who married her mother Mary? Margaret? after 1640. They had 4 children, Lydia, Gilbert (1640-1710), John (1650-1708) and Thomas (1652-1717).”

Is there any evidence supporting issue of the older William?

1/8/2019 at 3:45 PM

I don’t think so. Dorman says he was alive in 1635 but apparently died young [i’m assuming this is because he’s not named in any other land records or wills as the other sons and daughters are]. The second William wasn’t born until 1648 or so, wife Elizabeth Jarrett. Had a daughter named Lydia who died between 1708 (named in brother’s will) and 1718 (not named in father’s will.

Kelly Dunn, T958391 & A730856
2/17/2019 at 11:16 AM

Cynthia - i don't know if this will help but i found mention of a Lydia Gray in a Sarah Gray 1837 will for Fayette co GA. i don't know if this will be your Lydia but thought i would share.

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