Karl Sr and Elizabeth had four children I'm aware of. George (1882), my mother's dad, was slightly older than Wilhelm (Will). Karl & Elizabeth had two older children. Karl Jr. and Martha. Don't know much about Martha. Mom said she didn't live to be very old. I put a Karl Sr. family photo in my dropbox folder. Assuming you have the address. George was my mother's dad. George also married a Sophia and they had nine children. Hulda, Harold, Esther, Henry, Milton, Robert, Almon (died in childhood), Frances and Betty.