Colonel William "The Immigrant" Madison Hatcher - “Evidence for parents?”

We have multiple parents listed for him which I find interesting. All research I’ve found states no proof of parents. So, how did our Geni tree end up with Two father’s and two mother’s?

It looks like someone may have picked up extra parents from My Heritage Tree, but failed to read all of the documentation and research posted on this profile. This resulted in multiple sets of parents. Then two possible merges.

Another person thought this was William and connected as a marriage source. Marian Newporte & Gulielmus Hatcher
Marriage: Dec 27 1632
Ogbourne St George, Wiltshire, England
Wife: Marian Newporte
Husband: Gulielmus Hatcher
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: I05280-8
System Origin: England-EASy
GS Film number: 1279418
Did he bring her with him from England?

It looks like someone may have picked up extra parents from My Heritage Tree, but failed to read all of the documentation and research posted on this profile. This resulted in multiple sets of parents. Then two possible merges.

Another person thought this was William and connected as a marriage source. Marian Newporte & Gulielmus Hatcher
Marriage: Dec 27 1632
Ogbourne St George, Wiltshire, England
Wife: Marian Newporte
Husband: Gulielmus Hatcher
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: I05280-8
System Origin: England-EASy
GS Film number: 1279418
Did he bring her with him from England?

The past thinking has been that he arrived in Virginia unmarried, since he did not claim the additional land a wife would have qualified him for. By the way, where did the “Colonel” title come from? Is there any evidence for that?

Also I have never seen a middle name of Madison attributed to him, nor any proper evidence to connect him to the Careby Hatchers. But once someone enters their guesswork it’s next to impossible to get it cleaned up. I have given up on trying to get any corrections accepted.

@Charles M Hatcher of Ashland, KY
Thank you I have no idea about the middle name, we will have to look into that .... We did lock it today, so parents can’t be added without Curator approval. That at least is a step in the right direction.

Will check on the Colonel title.

What corrections ... we are listening 👂

Charles M Hatcher of Ashland, KY is your 8th cousin once removed.
Suzan Martin
→ Henry Victor Martin, Jr.
→ Lena Clementine Moseley
→ John Ebenezer Moseley
→ Peter Guerrant Moseley, II
→ Peter Guerrant Moseley
→ Lt. Robert Peter Moseley, II
→ Robert Ligon Moseley, I
→ Sarah Moseley
→ Johanna Hancock
→ Samuel Hancock
→ Elizabeth Saunders
→ Jacob Sanders
→ Thomas Jefferson Saunders
→ Granville "Greenville" Sanders
→ Ichabod Sanders
→ Ferde Canada Sanders, Sr.
→ Nancy Luella Hatcher
→ Charles M Hatcher of Ashland, KY

Col. William ‘the Immigrant’ Hatcher, of Henrico Name was corrected today.

I just futzed around with the data & Name fields some more, feel free to edit further, and then request “locks.”

- no evidence of a military title
- “of Varina Parish” to the suffix because more specific
- added through “add a field” the Immigration Year
- wrote “of” Caresby for Birth location but perhaps they should be edited out along with the only theoretical birth date & preserved as a comment in the “about”
- do we really need “the immigrant” in his name? Isn’t it obvious from the birth location, immigration Year, and much prettier ship icon ?

NB could be a valid marriage record for this William Hatch? Can add “Gulielmus” as a name in Latin.

I am liking this better already.

William Hatcher, of Varina Parish is your fourth great uncle's fourth great grandfather (share this path) through Farrar:

https://www.geni.com/path/Erica-Howton+is+related+to+William-Hatche...

Hi there loud mouth great uncle !

William Hatcher, of Varina Parish is your 9th great grandfather.
You
→ Freddie Ralph Hicks, Sr
your father → Viola Isabel Hicks
his mother → John Thomas Edgar Webber
her father → John Richard Carter Webber
his father → Samuel Webber
his father → Seth Ward Webber, Sr.
his father → Tahphenes Webber
his mother → Richard Ward
her father → Ann Blackman
his mother → Henry Hatcher
her father → William Hatcher, of Varina Parish
his father

I hope he’s looking sharper now. Just added a list of his children, because I’m always lost without seeing it in the “about.”

This site is amazing:

http://hatcherfamilyassn.com/getperson.php?personID=I43718&tree...

Is there an Y ftDNA project to reference?

I’d also love to see someone write a fabulous “executive summary.” For such a character he needs a headline.

“William was obviously outspoken, headstrong and foolish for as he learned, "even nonmembers who aspersed the dignity of the House of Burgesses or its officers suffered speedy censure". ...”

@Erica Howton well your lineage on GENI s like mine software can’t handle it!

Ok he’s also Colonial Dames lineage ... how do we look him up, I know we can look up and attach DAR ??

And now - too many kids. This always happens. I’m going to try and relocate - often it’s “generation drift” - but if not, I’ll peel off the ones not validated by the Hatcher Family Association, tag them to this discussion, and hopefully they’ll match into proper tree position.

Yes, I saw that marriage record and liked it also.

I know, William kind of reminds me of my paternal grandfather! Haha

The Hatcher Association has the best resource. It hasn’t been changed by so many hands.. Willy nilly..

Disconnected as children, may they find their way to their accepted parents:

Elizabeth Hatcher , Martha Edleo , Katherine Sharpe , Mary Hatcher , Yuet 'Eber' Harris , Jeremiah Hatcher

Suzan Martin is William Hatcher, of Varina Parish's 11th great granddaughter.
William Hatcher, of Varina Parish
→ Henry Hatcher
his son → Mary Tanner
his daughter → Edward Tanner, Jr.
her son → Judith Johns
his daughter → Mary Trigg
her daughter → Maj. John J. Trigg (Colonial Militia)
her son → William Trigg
his son → John Anthony Trigg
his son → Bingham Trigg
his son → Mary Rebecca Lancaster (Trigg)
his daughter → Julia Eugenia Stephens (Lancaster)
her daughter → Ruth Gene Martin
her daughter → Suzan Martin
her daughter

And John Hatcher

See, this is what I like about Geni. Revisiting this Hatcher family, I now show a different great uncle:

Abel Gower is Erica Howton's fifth great uncle's great grandfather!

Using share this path: https://www.geni.com/path/Erica-Howton+is+related+to+Abel-Gower?fro...

Amazing how one Profile being corrected can smooth out GENI. At least now it matches the documentation. Thank you for all your time with this mess.

Charles was wondering why the Colonel was attached to his name, maybe because he had a ship called Blackbird and he was bringing people over, also receiving Military land grants???

Suzan, I had a 1 time did the oversea/foreign ancestry. I was sure it corrected me to family all the way to 1497ish in England.

I believe William’s involvement in ownership of Blackbird was as an investor. I am not aware of any military land grants. He did sponsor the passage of multiple immigrants for which he received multiple land grants but as far as I know without any military connection. I say all the above without any proof for my conclusions other than an apparent lack of proof to the contrary.

The hatcherfamilyassn.com website has been a trusted resource for me, largely due to the efforts of Nel Hatcher, who sadly died in 2013. Hopefully it will continue with the same critical standards.

When I first found Geni I was optimistic that it would be the solution to the thousand different versions of family trees. Then I ran into what I am confident is incorrect information, and began trying to correct it. Then I ran into locked records that were wrong, and the person in charge did not seem to want to help. I admit I got discouraged and abandoned Geni as hopeless. This issue with William Hatcher seems to be following a better trajectory and I appreciate the efforts of everyone involved to improve the quality of the data.

There is a DNA project (you can get to it through the hatcherfamilyassn.com website). A few of us have done Big-Y tests, most notably descendants of different sons of William Hatcher, which provide a great deal of information about DNA changes before and after his generation. Still no breakthrough in connecting to Hatchers before William on the other side of the pond, but we hope that as DNA testing becomes more common over there we may someday learn something new about his ancestry.

Charles M Hatcher of Ashland, KY Geni now has some 200 curators globally and the ability to lock relationships. We service member tech requests on the “sticky” discussion “Curators, please assist” and we also look for public discussions tagged to profiles. And we have now have free DNA test linking from ftDNA. I tend to curate (look after Master Profiles) at the tree “tops” because that’s where the genealogy gets fizziest, but really we can assist anywhere. I do think the curating program makes a difference in Geni getting to be as accurate and complete as possible.

Chris Hatcher I have a theory about how “Colonel” got attached to his name.

It’s an honorific for those who raise militias in the Southern US, originating in Renaissance England. The actual military officer would be deputized by him as “Lieutenant Colonel.” Now, this seems a bit ahistorical for “this” William Hatcher, but perhaps there were others who did indeed fund colonial militias.