James Summerville* - Query on family

Morning Leanne;
Thanks for contact me, I am away from home and my notes at present and won't be home till later today.

Simply speaking, there was an incorrect merge a year or so ago which resulted in what shows upon Geni at present (it seemed only way forward at time as all efforts by myself and Raewyn Somerville (other unrelated family member) failed to be able to seperate families ( we even went to extent of removing and reentering all possible combination of profile over weeks whilst remaining in constant communication via Geni).

I can't recall exact relationships of hand but if you are able to seperate family groups , I'm sure that Raewyn would be as happy as myself.

I would ask that you pause and wait till I return home and can send you an outline of my ancestoral chain in order that you have best chance of approach required to set right

Again. Many thanks for making contact

Brian

Thanks Brian - I can definetely seperate the trees for you. It might be as simple as reversing the incorrect merge.

Let me know when you are back and we will fix it.

Just also to let you know, just sent a message to "Raewyn Somerville" in New Zealand as to your message & my reply and that you may need to contact her to confirm relevant details etc.

Brian

Tagging Raewyn Marie Somerville in this discussion

Having a quick look at the surrounding profiles it looks like there are 2 James SUMMERVILLE's

1) son of Robert Somerville (1826-1907) and Rachel Somerville (1825-1914)

2) son of Robert Summerville (1808-1871) and Mary Anne Summerville (1820-1907)

and both are being suggested as the husband of Agnes Somerville and father of her children

Would that be correct?

Morning again Leanne;
Just looking at Geni site again whilst I'm waiting for my wife, the error (as far as can determine ) goes back to faulty research by my late father as to his mothers ancestors he indicating Rachel Latimer as his grandmother and in the late 1980s early 1990s passing that info on to distant cousins in NZ who had visited his home around that time. That faulty data passed on to Dorothy Oliver by her NZ family and later input.

A merge occurred around July 2017 given data as known at that time

Upon my review following being contacted by Raewyn as to some inconsistencies I soon was able to prove that Rachel Latimer was not in my tree and that my ancestors had came from a different area of Ireland .

Using Geni I have this morning retraced backwards as follo
1.William George Ford 1926/1999 (my father)
2.Agnes Somerville (his mother, my grandmother pictured)
2a. Agnes had six siblings Robert 1879, Samuel 1891/1916, James 1894/1959, William 1896, Unknown 1903 & Maggie 1907. Siblings Robert & James married with children & other descendant. I have personally met & stayed at home of sibling James descendants & compared their Independant research .
3.James Summerville 1860/1909 & Agnes Martin 1857/1911 (my great grandparents)
3a.James Summerville 1860/1909 -- positively identified are two siblings William 1844/1914 & Robert 1845/1910 (there may be others but with destruction of many of the Irish records it is not readily provable at this time).
3b. Agnes Martin 1857/1911 --- her father is positively identified as "Samuel Martin circ 1820"
4. Robert Summerville 1808/71 & Mary Ann Feely 1820/1907 (my 2x great grandparents)
5. James Summerville circ 1780/1850 & Jane Unknown circ 1790 (my 3x great grandparents).

The object of utilising a (*) or (#) upon names was desperation with comment and assist separate records

Robert Somerville & Rachel Latimer have no lineage to myself although that is what my father had originly indicated.

Hoping that this helps

Brian
Ps; with any luck we should leave here to head home within next hour (we then on road for 4/5 hours)

If you are successful in separating the two trees , I will revisit site and adjust all applicable comments on profiles for my personal side of trees & leave it to Raewyn to do as she wishes with her family profiles.

Brian

If I am understanding correctly the 2 trees should be

1. James Somerville (1798-)
2. Robert Somerville (1826-1907) married Rachel LATIMER
3.1 Mary Somerville (1847-1934)
3.2 James Somerville (1849-1924)
3.3 Annie Somerville (1852-1921)
3.4 Rachel Somerville (1855-1925)
3.5 Robert Somerville (1857-1861)
3.6 Martha Somerville (1858-1920)
3.7 Elizabeth Summerville (1860-1867)
3.8 Ruth Somerville (1863-1874)
3.9 Jane (Janie) Somerville (1865-1940)
3.10 Robert Somerville (1868-1933)

1. James Summerville (1780-1850)
2.1 Robert Summerville (1808-1871) married Mary Ann FEELEY
2.2 John Summerville (1809-?)
2.3 William Summerville (1815-1853)

James Summerville should be the son of Robert Summerville (1808-1871) married Mary Ann FEELEY
and he is not related (biologically or adopted) to Robert Somerville (1826-1907) married Rachel LATIMER

If this is correct, I can easily disconnect James born 1860 from Robert and Rachel.

On the road now just taking a short break before continuing home

Your latest message reminded me that "James Summerville " was where we struck problems being unable to remove him that caused us to enter into position that shows currently, but with your expertise and additional curator powers over Geni program hopefully all can be resolved.

Yes; James Summerville1860/1907 is biological (Robert 1808/71 & Mary Ann Feely ) as you suggest in your memo and has no direct relationship whatsoever to (Robert 1826 & Rachel).

I am not aware of & you would need to confirm with Raewyn as to the twelve noted # as to their relationship to Raewyn family. I have, when the original issue came to notice, removed myself from any management role within Raewyns family.

I have question being ;
Should you be successful in separating the trees will all the spouses, children & parents move as well.
In particular ;
*John Summerville 1809 has a wife Agnes Lundy & eight children & many additional descendants some linking to additional trees
*James Summerville 1860 has wife Agnes Martin & seven children (some with spouse) & many additional descendants linking to additional trees

Brian

I have detached James so the two trees should now be separate.

Let me know if I can help with anything else.

Afternoon Leanne;

Just reviewed Summerville family (my profiles) and all now appears correct, I have amended comments upon affected profile as to the Merge Issue etc.

Many thanks for your actions in sorting out that issue

Brian
PS; You indicated assistance with other things; I have a "Merge Issue" that I have been not successful in resolving ; maybe you can offer advice/assistance.

Charles Duddridge 1815/62 Married twice to sisters & children with each
+ Caroline Kempsell 1812/56
Child; Elizabeth Duddridge 1849
+ Jane Kempsell. 1836/1924
Children Caroline Duddridge 1858, Charles Duddridge 1860/62 & Charlotte Duddridge 1861/62

******FOLLOWING the death of Charles Duddridge 1815/62 his widow remarried
Jane Duddridge nee Kempsell
+ George Rouse Dyson 1829/1888. (Six children of their marriage)

Marriage Status
Charles Duddridge / Caroline Kempsell (first marriage for each)
Charles Duddridge/ Jane Kempsell. (Second marriage Charles first marriage Jane)
Jane Duddridge nee Kempsell/ George Rouse Dyson (second marriage Jane first marriage George)

Thinking Issue relates to marriage order have tried many times to input a marriage order without success and as such the profile (Charles Duddridge) remains an error of sorts upon my Merge issues

Is there something I'm missing in order to clear Charles Duddridge from my Merge Issues

Hoping you can assist

Brian

Is it this profile Charles Duddridge
I think I have fixed it - I think the tree conflict was a by-product of the newish HTML tree. Geni are investigating the cause at the moment.

Evening Leanne

Yes; Its the "Charles Duddridge" as tagged by yourself, just reviewed my merge issues and he's currently not listed.

Would seem to indicate that your actions have cleared issue and am glad that you have been able to refer on to Geni to look at cause etc

Many thanks for sorting out Charles

Brian

Hi Brian,
When I get these I try the following
1) open the profile in profile view and click on the tree conflict if there is one, or view tree if their isn't a conflict
2) when I get to tree view (direct or after I have tried to fix the conflict) I see if it is displaying a yellow triangle.
3) in tree view I change the tree view to the spouse or parents or children and then come back to the initial person - sometimes this fixes the issue (don't ask me why as it makes no sense)
4) If it is still displaying a tree conflict I then go back to the profile view and click on edit and go to the relationships tab and see if any are blank (which displays as unknown) - if so you might need a curator to help fix
5) If after doing all that I still have a conflict I send screen shots off to Geni IT so they can review it from the database

If all that seems like a bother (or it doesn't work) just let me know and I can try to fix it as it might need a curator access to fix.

Yes thanks, those actions were essentially what I had tried unsuccessfully (had a thought it may also relate to the older version iPad I currently use for Genealogy matters? Maybe not?) but your actions seem to have resolved it.

Another Merge Issue I have is with " Thomas John Lever. 1940/85"

His parents were (Had six Children)
John William Stanley Lever 1912/2007 & Hilda Mary Eunice Bismire 1915/91

Siblings of Thomas were/are; (most still living as I am present)

*Helen Violet Lever 1935 (living?) married Allan Bernard Wooldridge 1935/85 (deceased)
*Patrick Richard Lever 1945 (living?)
*Gwendoline Minnie Lever 1937/2006 (deceased) married twice Nicholas Freeman circ 1933 & John Wayne Murray cir 1933 (not aware of living status either husband)
*Richard Allen Lever 1947 (living?) married Kathleen Mary Unknown. (living status not known)
*Nancy Ann Lever 1942 (living?) married Ian Joseph Hansell (living status not known)

The merge of Thomas 1940/85 took place about August 2018 and I sent an unresponded to message to other profile manager "John Harrison" at that time.

I am not sure whether he is still active upon Geni

I have no desire to upset privacy issues for any living person and in this case to resolve my "Merge Issue" as I have had no response to date from John Harrison

Easiest way would seen to reverse the merge of "Thomas John Lever 1940/85". (That is only area where our trees merge at present) or

More detailed merge of parents John Lever 1912/2007 & Hilda Bismire 1915/91 (both deceased ; this is something I am unable to complete due to privacy settings), which would resolve Merge Issue (to some degree) but leave many duplicate private profiles of five children, their partners etc (which additional merge actions would be required)

As to ancestors of the parents;
This appears not an issue as John Harrison has details of John Lever ancestors (whilst I have not) and I have extensive detail of ancestors for Hilda Bismire (which John Harrison has none). ; that in effect being a win win for each of us and not affect subsequent profile.

Would appreciate your review and considered better option to sort out

Thanks
Brian

Morning Leanne;
Wasn't expecting that you would jump into the "Lever family" actions so quickly and do all those merges.

I have, this morning, gone through all to resolve data issues etc

Many thanks for your assistance

Brian

Sorry Brian, i saw some requested merges that had been approved and needed a curator to finalise. I merged then my internet stopped (I am out camping with intermittent internet) so couldn't check if there were more merges to be done or if there was any issues created.