Margaret (Holmes) Morrison - Smith - Shannon - Smith [Convict "Mary Ann" 1791] - Margaret Holmes Parents

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4.6.2020 в 9:46 после полудня

I have no record of linking my 3X Great Grandmother Margaret Holmes with a Margaret Holmes that was baptised at Shoreditch London on the 6th December 1768, mother Naomi Holmes. It is possible that they are the same person, but we need a link to these people. Duncan Hodder

4.6.2020 в 9:57 после полудня

I increasingly see early convicts who have no confirmed date of birth nor any confirmed parents or siblings mentioned in court records and no parents mentioned in death records being attached to parents merely because they have a similar name to someone born around the same time and around the same general area.

As far as I am aware Margaret HOLMES the convict has no confirmed date of birth so any addition of parents is pure conjecture.

4.6.2020 в 10:00 после полудня

https://australianroyalty.net.au/tree/purnellmccord.ged/individual/...
* age 54 in 1828 - born c1774

* Court records 9/12/1789
9 Dec 1789:
HANNAH CARLTON and MARGARET HOLMES were indicted for stealing, on the 4th of November last, fourteen yards of callico, value 16 s. the property of Edward Bowerbank.
EDWARD BOWERBANK sworn.
I am a linen draper in Newgate-street : I lost fourteen yards of callico, on the 4th of November; I cannot tell what day of the week; I was not at home: I was sent for immediately on the prisoners being detected.
JOHN BOWERBANK sworn.
The prisoners came into the shop of Mr. Edward Bowerbank , between five and six, the 4th of November, to buy a cotton bed-gown; I shewed them some prints for it; and Ann Carlton took one of the prints off the counter; I saw her; it was a piece of callico containing fourteen yards; I had shewed it to her the first piece; she laid it on one side; and I saw her take it, and put it under her apron, and go to the door; in consequence of which, she says to the other that she left in the shop, make haste and buy; she made no answer; and while I was going to the counter, she made off; I took her about an hundred yards from the door; she had the property on her; till I brought her into the shop, it was under her apron; I saw her drop it in the shop; I picked it up; I gave it to my brother; and he and me have had the care of it: he locked it up; I am sure that piece belonged to my brother; it has our shop mark: when the prisoners came in, they looked at the prints, and discoursed together; I took her into custody.
EBENEZER BOWMAN sworn.
I am a haberdasher; I was passing along Newgate-street, and happened to stop; there was a confusion of carriages, and I stopped opposite the door; and I saw the prisoner Carlton come out of the door with some thing in her apron; and she said to Holmes, make haste and buy what you want, and come along; Carlton was at Mr. Bowerbank's door; immediately after that, she ran; and then seeing Mr. John Bowerbank come out, she ran very fast up the street; and John Bowerbank caught her about a hundred yards from the door, brought her back, and said she was a shoplifter, and had taken a piece of print; she said nothing; I desired him to be cautious how she dropped it, because she might take it with others; and I saw the print under her apron, and on the step of the door; it was a small pattern, yellowish ground, two or three colours; it was opened, and I particularly looked at it; the cotton was taken care of by Mr. Bowerbank; Holmes was in the shop; I saw her doing nothing.
GEORGE PIERPONT sworn.
I am a constable; I took the prisoners into custody at Mr. Bowerbank's; I left the property with Mr. Bowerbank; I searched them both, and found no property about them, nor any money, except a few bad halfpence; I examined their pockets compleatly.
(The cotton deposed to by Edward Bowerbank .)
There is a shop mark in characters, in figures; it was made by me; the figures were a V turned the wrong way, and a cross; I had such a piece when I went out; I had no property but what was my own.
Prisoners. We have nothing to say; we have no witnesses.
HANNAH CARLTON MARGARET HOLMES
GUILTY,
Transported for seven years .
Tried by the London Jury before Mr. RECORDER.

4.6.2020 в 10:03 после полудня

https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Holmes-8844

Death 1460/1850 V18501460 117 SMITH MARGARET, AGE 46 - probably not the same Margaret.

Baptised 6/12/1768 Shoreditch to Naomi HOLMES

4.6.2020 в 10:06 после полудня

The only confirmed information we have about her is
* no family or age noted in conviction records
* age 54 in 1828 census - which would be c1774

4.6.2020 в 10:12 после полудня

Link to parents profiles
* father Gersham Holmes
* mother Naomi Holmes

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