General Griffith Loch Rutherford - Jane (Rutherford) Locke sources???

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Capt Henry Edward Heater I noticed that today you added another daughter "Jane" to General Rutherford's profile, and have her married to John Locke.

Jane “Jennie” Locke

John Locke

Can you share your sources for this? Because according to "General Griffith Rutherford and allied families, Harsh, Graham, Cathey, Locke, Holeman, Johnson [and] Chambers" (authored by a Rutherford family historian and published in 1942), his daughter, Jane Rutherford married Capt. James Cathey (DAR).

Jane Cathey

Captain James Cathey

The Locke family is covered fairly well in the Rutherford history, with 2-3 "John Lockes" mentioned therein. The first (living in early 18th century) was said to have been occupied with shipping between London and Philadelphia. His wife was "Elizabeth" and they had five children: Matthew, Francis, George, Elizabeth, and Margaret. After he died in London, his widow removed from London to Philadelphia with all of her children, and later remarried to John Brandon. From Philadephia, this family moved to Rowan Co., NC (ca. 1750).

Three of the Locke children intermarried with the family of their stepfather, the Brandons. General Matthew Locke (of London) married Mary Eliza Brandon (his stepsister), and between 1750 and 1775 they reared 13 children of their own.

The eldest of Matthew's children, John Locke[, Jr. or II], married "Miss Alexander" and had a son. Here is his Geni profile:

John Locke

Matthew's brother, Francis Locke (of London) was sheriff of Rowan Co., NC and married Anne Brandon. Francis also fought the Revolution and received wounds from which he never fully recovered. Francis moved to Tennessee along with the rest of the extended family, but later returned to NC where he died in Concord, NC. The third Locke brother from London, George, settled in Iredell Co., NC.

Besides the younger John Locke, Matthew Locke had other sons:

Lt. George Locke (died in the Revolution, killed by the British in 1780, left a son, Alexander). This profile should be researched and added to the appropriate projects, if possible.

Lt. Francis Locke (DAR) married Blanche Rutherford (daughter of General Griffith Loch Rutherford) Blanche Elizabeth Locke

Matthew Locke II, m. Margaret Pfifer

Richard Locke, m. "a Miss Cathey"

William Locke (m. Margaret Bell Bowman, daughter of Samuel Bowman, in 1808), whose daughter, Mary Locke, married James Griffith Cathey (I do not find Geni profiles for them, and I get the sense these families may not have been thoroughly, that is completely, researched here -- yet).

Matthew Locke also had a daughter, Jane Locke, who on April 11, 1791, married Roberth Weakley of Halifax Co., VA. This couple later moved to Tennessee along with the rest of the extended family.

Francis Locke of London (m. Blanche, daughter of General Rutherford) had a son named John Locke, but no further information is given for this John Locke.

Francis's granddaughter, Mary Blanche Locke, married John Griffith Cathey (here, she is called, "Mary Ann" Locke).

Francis's son James married Margaret Cathey, Griffith Rutherford Cathey's sister-in-law.

Francis's daughter, Mary Locke (b. 1788) married in 1806 Alexander Cathey (grandson of General Rutherford through Jane Rutherford and Capt. James Cathey).

No information is given in this family history for the third immigrant Locke brother, George Locke of London, who settled in Iredell County, NC.

I hope this is clear enough and not too much information at one time, because it helps me to look at the "big picture." I can't get much meaning from random fragments. Names, even with dates, are useless to me without reliable sources that are freely available.

Anyway, I had to take a closer look at this family when I saw the peculiar addition of another sister of the same name: Jane.

John Locke of London

Here is the profile for John Locke of London. The patriarch, so to speak, of the Southern Lockes.

I have to correct myself, for Francis Locke of London I confused with Francis his nephew (who did marry Blanche Rutherford). He married Anne Brandon, and I think that's the only detail I messed up when talking about his son, John Locke, for whom there was no further information given in the Rutherford Family history. However, here is the profile for that particular John Locke, so someone apparently did some research for him:

Maj. John Locke

...although unfortunately he is married to his own niece without any proof of that marriage whatsoever. I seriously doubt that he married his own niece.

Oops, I meant cousin (not niece). I doubt that he was married to his first cousin, seriously. Even though the elder Lockes married into their stepfather's family, there was no close blood relationship between any of the partners that I'm aware of. I can believe second or third cousins, but rarely first cousins (Andrew Jackson's wife, for example -- and they had no children from their marriage).

Okay, according to the book, Margaret Locke (the latter John Locke's cousin, here given as his wife, daughter of General Matthew Locke), actually married Col. James Erwin of Bank Co., NC. And their daughter, Eliza Pfifer Erwin, married *her cousin, (Unknown) "Erwin".

Margaret Locke also had a second marriage producing John Pfifer Allison of Concord, NC.

https://www.familysearch.org/tree/person/details/LH54-8WB Has Parents Major John Locke & Jane Jean "Jennie" Locke (born Cowan) as parents of Jane Cowan

John Locke

I find this rather strange, but maybe it's just me.

Let me try this again. I find this strange, but maybe it's just me.

John Locke

The link won't work right, but it is the revision done on May 6 at 11:56 AM · view on Maj. John Locke. The death field was changed from April 21, 1833 (on May 5, 2020) to August 6, 1794 (on May 6, 2020), to currently 1786.

But it probably makes perfect sense, just not to me. :D

Also we now have two Major John Lockes (son of Matthew of London, and son of Francis of London -- both of whom did indeed have sons by that name, although I doubt they were both majors). But I'm just going to leave it there for now, because someone is probably currently busy making all of the necessary repairs to this historical family, and it is too early in the process for me to worry any more about it.

This Margaret Locke might be attached to the wrong John Locke.

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This seems the clearest picture of that John’s family, from his son George:

LOCKE, GEORGE - 1816, ROWAN CO., NC, G/443 (son of JOHN LOCKE, son of GEN. MATTHEW LOCKE)

"In the name of God Amen I GEORGE LOCKE of the County of Rowan and State of No Carolina, being ? ? state of body, but of sound and disposing mind, do this 17th day of July in the year 1816, make ordain and publish this and this alone to be my last will and testament in manner and form following (to wit)
1st It is my will and desire, that my body be interred in a decent & respectful manner at the discretion of my executor hereafter to be named.
2ndly That all my just debts be fairly and honestly paid.
3rdly I devise and bequeath unto POLLY SMITH (daughter of JNO. SMITH deceased) two hundred and fifty acres of land lying & being in the State of Tennessee and being a part of a tract out of which I sold WILLIAM SHORT two hundred acres, to be laid off & allotted to her by beginning sd SHORTS southwest corner running thence so and in such manner as to contain the above quantity & so as to lie adjoining the said SHORTS tract. Also I give & bequeath to the said POLLY SMITH my negroe boy Pearce, this sd boy & land to her & her heirs forever-
4thly I devise the balance of the said tract of land, to my brothers WILLIAM & JAMES LOCKE, my sister MARY BARKLEY & my nieces CATHARINE POOL, to be equally divided between them share & share alike to them and their heirs forever...."
References

https://www.familysearch.org/tree/person/details/MJJD-FVD

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I think parents of Jane Cowan are now correct (a little more verification would be nice) but not sure on the kids.

Erica Howton Margaret is probably the mysterious "Miss Alexander" alluded to in the book.

I would agree that the will provides an excellent picture of the George Locke family.

I'm just curious why Jane Cowan has been given her mother's maiden name for a surname? Shouldn't she be Jane (Locke) Steele?

Capt Henry Edward Heater If I may “yell” for a moment. Be really careful with family trees on ancestry and FamilySearch and FindAGrave.

I use them all the time - but the trick is to analyze “their” sources. The ones you linked source other trees. The FamilySearch I sourced from showed me compiled records. Which do you think more accurate?

Private User just to confuse us -

"North Carolina Marriages, 1759-1979", database, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:F8ZS-BJC : 14 February 2020), Jean Steele in entry for Benjamin Cowan, 1805.

So I just added Benjamin Cowan as Jane Locke’s 2nd husband. Obviously a cousin via her mother (which strengthens the case we have the right mother).

It looks like the fundamental and understandable confusion is TWO John Lockes born in 1750 at NC.

1. John Locke 1750–1833 m Jane Rutherford
2. John Locke 1750 - 1786 m Jane Cowan

To me it’s 2 who is the son of

Matthew Locke
1730–1801

Mary Elizabeth "Eliza" Brandon
1734–1790

But maybe we need to make that crystal clear.

Also I notice cute tree tags for https://www.ancestry.com/family-tree/person/tree/27402432/person/13...

Actively Researching
Direct Ancestor
Hypothesis
Unverified

So apparently there’s room for argument, AND maybe we’ll be able to help, which is nice.

I hear you Erica. I saw the other daughter named Jane which alerted me because it was very unlikely that there were two surviving daughters with the same name. I had made a memo to go back and sort it out.

It looks like FamilySearch & Wikitree did a good job compiling and interpreting documents. The trees on ancestry are actually fine for records like census, but they’re failing on comparing estate records, marriage bonds, etc, to sort out these intermarried families with all the same names.

Be sure and put “breadcrumbs” in your profile abouts so we can follow the trail.

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