Mabel de Cantelou - Help, sourcing needed

Oh, and neither de Londres nor Cantilupe show up in the index to the Welsh Genealogies.

Took the Longchamp tree back to Normandy - NN “the Forester” de Longchamp - based on
Balfour, David. “The Origins of the Longchamp Family.” Medieval Prosopography, vol. 18, 1997, pp. 73–92. JSTOR, http://www.jstor.org/stable/44946257. Accessed 16 Aug. 2020. Balfour doesn’t discuss wives except Eve de Lacy

And I have (all?) the Longchamp profiles sourced to the pedigree https://www.geni.com/documents/view?doc_id=6000000147225011877

Now it’s time to check why I’m supposedly related to this family.

Who was Hugh de Palested d 1266 with 3 daughters?

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https://finerollshenry3.org.uk/content/search/do_text_search

41/823 (30 June 1257) [No date]. Herefordshire. Hawisia de Longchamp gives the king half a mark for having a writ drafted by H. of Bratton against Reginald de Grey before the justices of the Bench. Order to the sheriff of Herefordshire etc.
42/856 (20 July 1258) [No date]. Herefordshire. Hawise de Longchamp gives half a mark for a writ ad terminum. Order to the sheriff of Herefordshire etc.
42/867 (24 July 1258) [No date]. Herefordshire. Hawise de Longchamp gives half a mark for a writ ad terminum. Order to the sheriff of Herefordshire to take etc. By the justiciar of England.
50/152 (06 February 1266) [No date]. Essex. Hawisa who was the wife of Osbert de Dayeworth gives one mark for having an appeal at the Bench. Order to the sheriff of Essex.
50/248 (28 March 1266) 28 March. Westminster. Concerning homage which has been taken. The king has taken the homage of Hawisa first-born and one of the heiresses of Hugh de Palested’, lately deceased, held of the king in chief for the third part of the lands and tenements which the aforementioned Hugh her father held of the king in chief and the king has rendered the third part of the same with appurtenances to the same Hawisa. Order to Master William of Clifford, escheator this side of the Trent, that having accepted security from the aforementioned Hawisia for her rendering reasonable relief at his Exchequer, to cause the same Hawisia to have full seisin without delay of a third part of all the aforesaid lands and tenements and of the third part of other lands and tenements of which the aforementioned Hugh her father was seised in his demesne as of fee on the day he died and which were taken into the king’s hand by reason of his death, retaining in the king’s hand two parts of the lands and tenements formerly of the aforementioned Hugh and which fall to the two younger daughters of the same Hugh and co-heiresses of the same for the lands and tenements formerly of the aforesaid Hugh until ordered otherwise.
51/212 (15 January 1267) [No date]. Nottinghamshire. Hawisa who was the wife of John Russel gives half a mark for an assize to be taken before Richard of Middleton. Order to the sheriff of Nottinghamshire etc.
52/54 (16 November 1267) [No date]. Devon. William Walerand and Hawisa his wife give half a mark for an assize to be taken before M. of Littlebury. Order to the sheriff of Devon etc.
53/331 (18 May 1269) 18 May. Windsor. For the executors of Robert de Gurney. To the king’s beloved and faithful J. le Moyne escheator this side of the Trent. Whereas the venerable father and bishop of London (‘Landinium’), Hawisa who was the wife of Robert de Gurney lately deceased who held of the king in chief, and their co-executors of the testament of the aforesaid Robert have done surety to the king for the debts in which the same Robert was bound to the king on the day he died to be rendered at the Exchequer by Roger, William Belet, Nicholas Burdun and William de Waldebuf’. Order to cause the aforesaid executors to have full and free administration without delay of the goods and chattels formerly of the aforesaid Robert in his bailiwick on the day he died.

Thank you ladies for your excellent work! Reading these two pages is like reading an exciting novel, I have been for some time quite ill and bedridden, such a reading gives me a lot of joy <3 keep up the good work

I felt very nerdy getting excited about much married Hawise and her drama, genealogical and otherwise. Glad if others find it entertaining also. And I got the Longchamp tree sourced, straightened, connected, and one bad connection to me broken. May there be more. :). I’m still overly related p.

problem now is connecting the correct Walter de Cantilupe to Mabel, because Maude has him as her father too.

of course, now which Maude or Mabel is the daughter of Walter de Cauntelo

sorry all, my postings here are coming up twice...

Marvin Loyd Welborn Mabel is an open question. Maud is proven (in my mind), William her brother was guardian to her son. It’s in his profile.

Hawise’s husband, father of Maud de Longchamp, heiress of Wilton who is our “gateway” ancestor. Her mother is still arguable but I think she’s Hawise.

Henry Longchamp, of Wilton

From Archaeologia cantiana by Kent Archaeological Society. cn Publication date 1923 Publisher [London] Kent Archaeological Society Volume 36. Page 22 - 23. Archive.Org

Henry Longchamp of Wilton (grandson of Hugh, junior)

1213 - William Cantelow, uncle of the child Henry, paid 300 marks to have the custody of his person and of Wilton ...

https://archive.org/details/archaeologiacant36kent/page/n88/mode/1up

"In his genealogiocal charts, Lloyd portrays Maredudd ap Gruffudd as the son of Gwerfyl ap Morgan ap Hywel Caerleon, but no sources actually name such a daughter. ":

Please see Darrell Wolcott: Maredudd Gethin ap Lord Rhys; http://www.ancientwalesstudies.org/id213.html. (Steven Ferry, September 17, 2020.)