Colonel Josiah Martin Royal Governor (Martin) - Could use a re-haul and MP status.

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Serious inconsistencies involving children born while he himself was still a child. Other inconsistencies noted, as well.

Probably at least one bad merge, as he is only documented to have had just one wife, his cousin Elizabeth (daughter of a NY "Josiah Martin"). Here is the family tree showing their marriage and her ancestry, provided by ROCK HALL MUSEUM - TOWN OF HEMPSTEAD:

https://www.friendsofrockhall.org/family-trees

Here is one probable bad merge (the wives are incorrect and the dates are way off):

https://www.geni.com/merge/view?revision_id=68772669260

I am not a manager of this profile, but found it interesting and did a little research for it which I have included both here and in the About section of this profile. I think it would make a nice historical MP once it is cleaned up, as the Governor had 22 brothers and sisters, according to my source. He and his wife had 8 children, although I can't remember if he actually had any g-grandchildren. (I can't find the reference for his children's progeny, at the moment.)

Also I think he is about the only one of all the Colonial North Carolina Royal Governors who isn't MP'd yet.

https://www.carolana.com/NC/Royal_Colony/The_Five_Royal_Governors_o...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Josiah_Martin

[Governor] Josiah Martin...was born in Dublin, Ireland, on April 22, 1737 -- instead of in Antigua where his birth has been erroneously placed by several writers.

[https://www.jstor.org/stable/23529857?read-now=1&seq=9#page_sca... "The West Indian Antecedents of Josiah Martin, Last Royal Governor of North Carolina" Richard B. Sheridan - The North Carolina Historical Review Vol. 54, No. 3 (July, 1977), pp. 253-270 (18 pages) - Published by: North Carolina Office of Archives and History]

I attached Burke's Peerage and Baronetage Genealogical and Heraldic Dictionary, Vol 2

https://www.geni.com/documents/view?doc_id=6000000155047546825

lists all children and I don't see a Mary Martin -

Mary Martin born before the birth of her father Colonel Josiah Martin Royal Governor.

Consistency Check:
Miss Martin contains an incomplete death date, missing year.
Mary Elizabeth Martin contains an incomplete death date, missing year.
Sarah Martin contains an incomplete death date, missing year.
Alice Martin contains an incomplete death date, missing year.
Josiah Henry Martin contains an incomplete death date, missing year.
Lydia Martin contains an incomplete death date, missing year.
Mary Martin contains an incomplete death date, missing year.
Dr. Samuel Martin contains an incomplete death date, missing year.
Charles Yeamans Martin contains an incomplete death date, missing year.
William Martin contains an incomplete death date, missing year.
Mary Martin contains an incomplete death date, missing year.
Alice Martin contains an incomplete death date, missing year.
Rachael Martin contains an incomplete death date, missing year.
Sarah Martin contains an incomplete death date, missing year.
Mrs Elizabeth Martin contains an incomplete death date, missing year.
Mary Fletcher contains an incomplete death date, missing year.
Mary Martin contains an incomplete death date, missing year.
Sarah Wyke contains an incomplete death date, missing year.
More than 22 year age difference between Mary Fletcher and her husband Colonel Josiah Martin Royal Governor.
Mary Martin born before the birth of her father Colonel Josiah Martin Royal Governor.
More than 22 year age difference between Mary Martin and her husband Colonel Josiah Martin Royal Governor.
Colonel Josiah Martin Royal Governor is under 12 years old for the birth of his child Dr. Samuel Martin.
Colonel Josiah Martin Royal Governor is under 12 years old for the birth of his child Charles Yeamans Martin.
Colonel Josiah Martin Royal Governor is under 12 years old for the birth of his child Josiah Henry Martin.

Okay, the confusion with the bad merge was caused by the fact that Elizabeth Martin's first cousin husband had the same name as her father.

https://www.geni.com/merge/view?revision_id=68772669260

Looking at the merge, one is almost in line with her father, while the other one is almost in line with her husband. Oddly, the one on the left which looks most like her husband -- had been marked "female" for gender.

The pedigree chart provided by the Museum in NY that is associated with her father's house, is very helpful in sorting them out. As first cousins, her father was the brother of his father, both with the same name "Josiah Martin". So the Geni profile for her father should be this one:

Josiah Martin

According to her father's family pedigree chart:

Maj. Samuel Martin m. Lydia Thomas. He died in 1701 and in 1703 she remarried, to Edward Byam. With her first husband, she had:

Samuel Martin (Josiah Martin's father, 1694-1777)

Josiah Martin (Elizabeth Martin's father, 1699-1778)

William (d. 1735)

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Elizabeth Martin's husband's father Samuel Martin had Josiah Martin plus Samuel Martin MP and Henry Martin MP

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Elizabeth Martin's father Josiah Martin (linked above in this post) married first Elizabeth Chester and with her had three daughters (Lydia, Polly, Mary);

secondly he married in 1735 Mary Yeamans (d.1805) and with her he had 9 children of which Elizabeth (1736-1778) was the eldest of all.

Elizabeth Martin married her first cousin, "Josiah Martin" and they had 8 children of which 4 are named on her family's pedigree chart. It is reported in various sources that some of their children died young and that none of them married (so no legitimate grandchildren for Governor Martin). The children named on the pedigree chart for Elizabeth Martin and her first cousin, Josiah Martin are:

Mary Elizabeth (1762-1820) died unmarried

Alice (b.1768) died unmarried

Samuel (b. 1771) died in NC, unmarried

Augusta (b. 1775) died unmarried

https://www.friendsofrockhall.org/family-trees

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Suzan Martin the document you provided is very helpful. It starts at the top with the man who was the grandfather of both Elizabeth Martin and her first cousin, Josiah Martin. It shows her as being the daughter of "Josiah Martin" and also the wife of "her kinsman, Josiah Martin".

The only problems I see with it are that it doesn't make the connection between her uncle Samuel and her cousin/husband, Governor Josiah Martin. And it doesn't list the children of this couple, who are under discussion here.

Another problem I see, with her father's Geni profile, is that it is also confused with her husband. The parentage is correct, but the other family relationships are a bit scrambled and vague. The connections he had with his Long Island NY house, wives, and children seem to have been entirely overlooked or completely unknown by whoever created the profile.

Josiah Martin

Also she is not connected to either her father, mother, or siblings. And I haven't even begun to examine their children's profiles, but I would assume there is some confusion with them as well.

yes, it was vague, I had the document when researching the Martin's for another project. need more detailed information from reliable sources. I don't have jstor which really helps. Would be worth taking a few hours again to be able to use again.

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