Elisabeth Deincourt - Oliver Deincourt

Started by Curt Quentin Harris on Saturday, October 3, 2020
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10/3/2020 at 10:13 PM

Cawley (MedLands) says nope:
OLIVER [II] de Aincourt (-after 1231). “Henry Le Eueske and Amabilla his wife” claimed parts of manors in Nottinghamshire, Derbyshire and Buckinghamshire from “Oliver de Aincurt” on the basis that they were “of the inheritance of Oliver de Aincurt father of the said Oliver and late the husband of Amabilla, in Branston Lincolnshire”, dated 10 Feb 1219[31]. The list of fees held from Philippe II King of France includes “terra Oliveri de Eincuria, unum feodum apud Eincuriam” among the “Ballivia Caletensis, alias domini Gaufridi de Capella”[32]. Bracton records a claim, dated 1231, by "Willelmus Longespei et Idonea uxor eius" against "Oliuero de Ayncurt et Nicholæ uxori eius" concerning "manerium de Dudingtona", inherited from "Nicholaæ de Haya avie ipsius Idonee cuius heres ipsa est" which names "Gerardum de Kaunuilla et Nicholaam uxorem eius Ricardum de Humaz et Juliam uxorem eius et Willelmum de Rullos et Isabellam uxorem eius" as "filias et heredes Ricardi de Haya"[33]. m NICOLE, daughter of ---. Bracton records a claim, dated 1231, by "Willelmus Longespei et Idonea uxor eius" against "Oliuero de Ayncurt et Nicholæ uxori eius" concerning "manerium de Dudingtona", inherited from "Nicholaæ de Haya avie ipsius Idonee cuius heres ipsa est" which names "Gerardum de Kaunuilla et Nicholaam uxorem eius Ricardum de Humaz et Juliam uxorem eius et Willelmum de Rullos et Isabellam uxorem eius" as "filias et heredes Ricardi de Haya"[34]. Nicole was presumably closely related to the La Haye family. The document quoted above does not specify the relationship. https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/ENGLISHNOBILITYMEDIEVAL3D-K.htm#Jo...

Private User
10/3/2020 at 10:19 PM

To complicate matters, MedLands finds no primary documentation whatsoever that names William FitzErneis' daughter or her husband. It is only known that there was a daughter, who had a daughter who married Robert de Meisy.

WILLIAM FitzErneis (-1178). The 1169/70 Pipe Roll records "Wills fil Ernisi" owing ".c. s p recto de tra aui sui, p pleg Thome fil Rob" in Yorkshire[456]. A charter dated 1217, under which "Robertus filius Erneisi sextus" confirmed donations to Fontenay by his predecessors (expanded version), confirms the donation of "supra Bellum-montem…septem acras terræ" made by "Willelmi de Villariis" for the soul of "Willelmi filii Erneisi"[457]. m as her first husband, NICOLE de la Haye, daughter of RICHARD de la Haye & his wife Mathilde [de Vernon] (-Nov 1230). She married secondly Gerard de Camville. William & his wife had one child:

a) daughter . Her parentage is confirmed by the order dated 1200 under which "Rob de Meisy" paid a fine to marry "filia filie Nicolæ ux Gerarld de Canvill" who was in "custodia Willelmus de Bretvill" in Norfolk[458]. m ---. One child:

i) daughter . "Rob de Meisy" paid a fine to marry "filia filie Nicolæ ux Gerarld de Canvill" who was in "custodia Willelmus de Bretvill" in Norfolk, dated 1200[459]. m ROBERT de Meisy, [son] of ---. [Cawley gets sloppy with genders at times.]

Private User
10/3/2020 at 10:21 PM

Incidentally, the whole Camville question is very, very complicated, and even Medlands gets confused on some of the upper branches.

Private User
10/4/2020 at 8:56 AM

Findagrave.com and Ancestry.com both have the problem that they often don't give any sources at all (not even secondary sources), so evaluating the information they provide can be...difficult. MedLands at least provides primary documentation when it can get it, though often so abbreviated as to be difficult to interpret for *that* reason. (The sources are almost always given, in which the full context may be found.)

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