Jacob Cloete, SV/PROG - Parents information.

Started by J P Weyers on Tuesday, May 18, 2021
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J P Weyers
5/18/2021 at 11:26 AM

What sources exist for information of his parents and siblings ?
Their names ?
D.o.b and date of death of both parents,
Maiden name of his mother Klauten/Cloete or Jennicken?
Herman Booysen made it Klauten from what proven source ?

5/18/2021 at 10:18 PM

Good questions:
Any answers in these: https://www.eggsa.org/sarecords/index.php/church-registers/cape-tow...;
http://www.e-family.co.za/ffy/g5/p5323.htm;
Jacob van Oedt in ’t land van Köln by Harry Booyens – Familia 2009 no 1 (extract in Overview)?

Private
5/19/2021 at 2:55 AM

Thank you Sharon Doubell.

Judi

J P Weyers
5/19/2021 at 3:19 AM

Checked before allready but checked again to confirm .
Just name of father Conradt Klauten born circa 1600
Name of his mother Catherina NN born circa 1600
Both d.o.b. deducted from first child baptism
No Name surname of mother.
Married before circa baptism of first child 5 March 1628 a deduction
So no definite d o.b or death for both parents and NO surname for his mother. Not Klauten not Jennicken !
Nanes if his assumed parents from baptisms but no other information for them

Unless someone else have a source hidden away somewhere.

J P Weyers
5/19/2021 at 3:24 AM

Father estimated d.o.b could be 1612 and even 1614 for mother !! Her granddaughter Elsje married age 13 !!

5/19/2021 at 3:40 AM
J P Weyers
5/19/2021 at 7:17 AM

Yes his parents -- no maiden surname for his mother known just her name Catherina.
No source with her d.o.b. or date of death

5/19/2021 at 10:15 AM

what my book says acording to genealogies of old south african families jacob sons spelt his name as kloete kloote kloeten van keulen arrived aprox 1652 became burger 10/8/1657 had a farm on the liesbeek river was repatriated 1671 but return to cape as corporal was murdered 23/5/1693

J P Weyers
5/19/2021 at 9:24 PM

Aletta -- what does your book say about the parents of Jacob Cloete /Klaute/Kloote

5/20/2021 at 4:44 AM

They are not mentioned but can look on family search for more

5/20/2021 at 4:45 AM

i have all 3 books form a-z

J P Weyers
5/20/2021 at 4:55 AM

Thank you Aletta -- a more recent addition his parents it appears and not really 100% verified as well .
Can not find more details for them than mention on baptisms of children . No d.o.b. and no maiden name for his mother contrary to what was just added on her profile .

J P Weyers
5/20/2021 at 5:03 AM

Another strange thing he was only 25 years old when murdered in 1693?
Was it him or another person with similar/same name as him perhaps . Or his son that would fit very well with age 25 when he was murdered. 63 or 60 years old not often confused with 25

e.g. when my cousin same names as me died in a car crash 2000 a lot of people just assumed it was me. But not me
2 Frederick Janse van Rensburg born same year died same year but not the same person .

5/20/2021 at 5:40 AM

Is this our Conradt Klauten and his son Jaobus?
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:N8KG-D44

J P Weyers
5/20/2021 at 6:07 AM

Yes ! Stunning find Charlette .

Must add to profiles and save

J P Weyers
5/20/2021 at 6:13 AM

His d.o.b. on familysearch estimate added by Adriaan Roedolf Swanepoel . No source for that as I pointed out all deductions made from baptisms of children.

J P Weyers
5/20/2021 at 6:27 AM

No surnane or maiden name for mother Trein /Catharina.
Assuming they are the same person as I noticed first 3 children mother Trein and all next children mother Catharina .
Could be a 2nd wife or two diffrent Conrad Klauten with different wives completely.
Find this often two men same same name same town but different individuals completely even often similar names for children. Last week Tom Horn wife Ann Cox and Tom Horn wife Ann Potts both first son Tom born same year.Luckily UK Census so could difererentiate . SURE everyone on GENI have seen similar.

5/20/2021 at 7:42 AM

yes it happens as in olden days names of grandparents was often carried over to children of family members as they had huge families you will find ie 3 to 4 grandsons or daughters with same names

5/20/2021 at 7:43 AM

look at the swanepoel family pieter andries how many are there

9/11/2023 at 11:18 AM

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Hi Sharon, look at his mother which profile I've changed/merged. Up to you and/or your army of co-managers maybe to think it over and check!
Now and then I get a bit suspicious with too many too dutch sounding names in combination with too many "me too" managers and also from abroad ! Maybe I'm wrong, who knows ?!
These parents with Cloete in the name is a coincidence maybe? Cloete sounds a bit like Klauten, but maybe this is a false couple together, the parents of Jacob Cloete ???

I stuck on this profile checking Elon Musk's forefathers when I read that is also of Dutch origin ! Those dutchies everywhere from such a tiny place on the earth, but even Musk has something with them :-)

Met vriendelijke groet

9/11/2023 at 11:20 AM
9/11/2023 at 11:28 AM
9/11/2023 at 11:30 AM

http://www.e-family.co.za/ffy/g5/p5323.htm lists them as speculatie

My urge is to remove them, pending the finding of solid proof?

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