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Margaret Jane Jarrett (Sherwood) - Spouse

Started by Debbie Gambrell on Tuesday, July 6, 2021
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This is in a cousin line I'm tracing and I have her spouse different in my Ancestry tree. So I was checking for documentation. What I have for Margaret, daughter of Richard Sherwood and his wife Margaret Baldwin is:

Name Margaret Sherwood
Birth 1593 London, Middlesex, England
Death 1670 Isle of Wight, Surry, Virginia, USA
Spouse Richard Williamson

From what I'm seeing, Margaret who married William Jarratt has gotten mixed up with Margaret Sherwood above. There is nothing in her About seciton to help clarify that.

Also, Lady Margaret Jane (Sherwood) Jarratt is my direct ancestor. I have her information from Wiki:

https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Sherwood-1640

which indicates what I'm thinking, that the two Margarets have gotten confused on Geni, because it shows her parents as Edmund Sherwood and Jane (Thrale) Sherwood and she has an existing profile on Geni with the correct connections:

wife of Richard Jarratt

Can you look at the revisions tab and see if you can spot a mrrge to undo?

It’s mixed up genealogy, not bad merges.

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Jay G. Jarrett says in the 1640s Robert, Richard, another Samuel, and John Jarrett all came to Virginia Colony about the same time. Richard patented 1600 acres in various parts of the Jamestown area. They were all related and from the same area. Most of the Jarrett family moved to Georgia in the 1700s. They were believed to be Will’s brothers and/or cousins.

Will Jarrett lived on his 200 acres of land in the Weyanoke District near Henry Cittie, now Henry City Co, Virginia, until he died at age 92. Will is buried in Fort Jamestown Cemetery.

Will and wife, Margaret Jane, had a son named Richard R. Jarrett, who had sons, Charles and Thomas, who were members of the Horse Militia in 1687, and also daughter Elizabeth. Crystal Jarrett Inman shows a document that states Richard married Margery Bellingham, who then married Wm. Chambers after Richard died.

Richard R. had a half-brother, Robert, who was the son of Margaret Jane (1600-1680) and Devereaux Richard Jarrett. But things are a little muddy, for both Richard R. and Robert are given the same birth date of 1625; and Devereaux, born in 1591, lived until 1684 (93 yrs.), while Will lived from 1594 until 1685/6 (91/2 yrs.)

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Let me know if / when you can make any sense of that. Above my pay scale.

But for Margaret Druett wife of John Druett & Richard Williamson of "Cobham Hall” there’s a comment at https://www.familysearch.org/tree/person/discussions/LY2C-W66
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The wife and children currently (27 Oct 2015) listed here seem highly unlikely given geography.  Richard Sherwood's admin names his brothers, presumably wife or children would have been granted admin had they been alive. His mother names several grandchildren in her will and nine of the people currently attached to this record are among them.<br/>

Drayton/Sutton Wick St Peters parish records do not exist for this period. None of these names in Bishops Transcript. No Sherwoods in St Leonards, Drayton transcript.



So will see what we can do about the Williamson family, and will disconnect that Margaret Jane from parents.

Sorry - not disconnecting anyone yet.

I see - this is Robin Hood mythology (the Sherwoods).

Debbie Gambrell - which Sherwood do you want worked on. Because there is endless bogisity. Took a week to fix the Connecticut Sherwoods (again).

Re wife of Richard Williamson of "Cobham Hall”

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https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Williamson-1223

There is disagreement as to the surname of Richard's wife.

Margaret Brown

Some sources say she was Margaret Brown. This is based solely on one land transaction -- land conveyed to her by George Brown and Elizabeth his wife. The assumption is that she must have been their daughter or they would not have conveyed land to her. This assumption is not really supported. She could be a relative or friend, although not daughter. This transaction does not confirm Richard's wife was Margaret Brown.

John Druett and wife Margaret, formerly widow of Richard Williamson dec. and admr. of his estate sell to Thomas Elmes land conveyed to said Margaret by George Brown and Elizabeth his wife 21 Sept. 1655 situated north east side Indian Field in Upper Parish [Isle of Wight, VA] containing 60 poles square to marked trees of the mile end of land some time belonging to Richard Bennett, Esq. By order of Council 24 Mrch 1654 to said Elmes. Rec. 2 Aug. 1659. Teste, Wm. Dawson, Wm. Lewer.[5]
Margaret Sherwood

The only sources cited to support Richard's wife as Margaret Sherwood are based on circumstantial information. Since Richard named his home Cobham Hall, a relationship to the Williamsons of Cobham Hall, Kent, England, including Sir Joseph Williamson (born 1630-1633), is assumed. It is surmised that Richard was Sir Joseph's uncle.[2] However, Sir Joseph's father, Rev. Joseph Williamson, Vicar of Bridekirk from 1625 to 1634, is known to have had only one other son, George Williamson. And to complicate the question, this profile maintains Richard is the son of Robert Williamson, not the Rev. Joseph Williamson. If his father is Robert Williamson, Richard could not be the uncle of Sir Joseph Williamson of Cobham Hall. It is entirely possible there was a familial connection, but that connection is unknown and unsupported. Another kinsman, John Williamson (b 1687), settled in Surry County Virginia, and built another "Cobham Hall."[6]

The next chain in the relationship is the supposition that Margaret Sherwood was the sister of Judge William Sherwood who served, as a young man, in the London office of Sir Joseph Williamson. There is no evidence that Judge William Sherwood had a sister Margaret. The author of this text states: "(Unfortunately, the author has no proof of the information in this paragraph.)[6]

Margaret Unknown

I do not feel either of the above assumptions is proven. There is no confirmed documentation for the last name at birth of Richard's wife Margaret. It is my suggestion that the two profiles -- Margaret (Brown) Druett and Margaret (Sherwood) Williamson -- should be merged and Margaret's LNAB be changed to Unknown. Unless someone comes up with confirmed documentation to support one specific LNAB. (Shirley Dalton 18:55, 7 June 2021 (UTC))

Sorry I've been offline since I posted earlier. My direct connection is correct, as it is, as far as I can tell.

The one I was questioning is this one:

This is in a cousin line I'm tracing and I have her spouse different in my Ancestry tree. So I was checking for documentation. What I have for Margaret, daughter of Richard Sherwood and his wife Margaret Baldwin is:

Name Margaret Sherwood
Birth 1593 London, Middlesex, England
Death 1670 Isle of Wight, Surry, Virginia, USA
Spouse Richard Williamson

She seems to be connected to the wrong husband since she's not my direct with the Jarratt husband. That's where I saw the confusion.

It'll take me some time to read all the posts and digest what I'm reading. I've been under the weather a bit today, which is why I got offlilne. So it may be tomorrow before I get back to this. But at any rate, it just came up because the connecctions on Ancestry that I was seeing don't match what's on Geni and then I realized there are two Margaret Sherwoods but other than sharing that name, everything else about them is different but they seem mixed together here.

https://www.geni.com/documents/view?doc_id=6000000176866284913

You go very fast!

Margaret, widow of Richard Williamson, wife of John Druett (that’s probably the profile of John Jarrett we see at the moment).

I still need to find out about her parents.

The Wikitree for Jarrett is as weak as the the Geni. See what you might be able to find for real sources (Boddie is always a good place to look)

https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Sherwood-477

No record of Margaret's birth has been located. The other children of her purported parents, Richard Sherwood and Margaret Baldwin, were all born in Thurlaston, Leicestershire, England. Their christening dates, with parents named Richard Sherwood and Margaret _____, are all found in records. It is not confirmed that Margaret is their daughter.

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That would apply to “either” Margaret daughter of Richard Sherwood, of East Hundred (if he’s of Ipswich, what’s he doing with Leicestershire children?)

I think your Margaret Jarrett is parents unknown also, unless there’s more research you want to do before disconnecting.

Are we sure Richard “Devereux” Jarratt isn’t time traveling?

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The Reverend Devereaux Jarratt was named for Robert Devereaux, Earl of Essex, in whose army his grandfather served with valor, and was knighted by the king, who bestowed on him the coat of arms and crest during the "War of the Roses". The Reverend Devereaux Jarratt was born in New Kent County, Virginia, January 6, 1732-33. His widow was a daughter of Bernard Claiborne of Dinwiddie or Brunswick. Robert Jarratt had: Devereaux Jarratt, 2nd, and Mary Jarratt, who married William Clopton, and had seven children, the eldest born July 3, 1712,
and the youngest January 11, 1735. The sons were Walter, born March 24, 1720, Robert, born June 4, 1735, Devereaux, born August 30, 1727.

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And also

The Jarretts'

Walter Jarratt
B: abt 1565 Hereford, England

Child:

Sir Richard Jarrett of Devereaux
B: 1591-1599 Somersetshire, Eng.
Married: 1646 England

Wife: Name Unk
B: 1603 Somersetshire, Eng.

Child:

Robert Jarratt
B: Abt 1625/1627 Devereux Co., Essex St., London
D: 21 Jan 1709 New Kent Co., Va.

St. Peter's Parish Register New Kent Co, Va.

Robt son of Robt Jarratt and Mary his wife Bapt. 16 Augt, 1698

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From https://www.genealogy.com/forum/surnames/topics/jarratt/36/

Notice - wife of Richard, son of Walter, is unknown. Not Sherwood.

Which makes sense, because Leicestershire is not Somersetshire.

That Williamson connection is a distant cousin line for me that I know nothing about really. I was trying to figure out how a DNA match on Ancestry and I are related since she has a tree but no common ancestor showing. That's how I came across the Sherwood/Williamson differences on Ancestry and here.

As for my direct line, give me a few minutes to see what I have on my Margaret's parents, as far as documentation.

Ok, the Wiki on my Margaret does provide sources:

https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Sherwood-1640

This doesn't mention her mother's name but does state her father as Edmond:

Baptism: NAME: Margaret Sherwood GENDER: Female CHRISTENING DATE: 14 Feb 1601 CHRISTENING PLACE: Sandridge, Hertfordshire, England FATHER'S NAME: Edmond Sherwood Date: 14 FEB 1601 Place: Sandridge, Hertfordshire, England

This from Margaret's son's profile sources his parents:

Robert Jarratt was born in 1625 to Margaret Jane Sherwood, age 25, and Devereux Richard Jarratt. Robert Arrived in Virginia in 1663 (per 6220 Primary Immigrant: Jarrett, Robert Annotation: Record of 20,000 very early immigrants, with much relevant information. Taken from Patent Books 1 through 5. Title)

But that's about all I have been able to find with any sources. Everything else that lists them gives none.

Yet the WikiTree profile has

Margaret Jane Jarratt formerly Sherwood
Born about 1600 in London, London, , England (not Sandridge)

And the profile for Edmund Sherwood has him dead in Virginia. So there should be more to him than “no bio yet.”

https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Sherwood-1641

Edmund Sherwood & Jane Sherwood

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How is Edmund son of an Ipswich man? Miracle of the wishful thinking on the internet, perhaps?

https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Jarratt-53

Notes

Robert Jarratt's grandson (Reverend Devereux Jarratt, born January 6, 1732-3, O. S.) wrote a brief history of his grandfather in his autobiography. On page 12 in The Life of Reverend Devereux Jarratt, the Reverend wrote (14 Oct. 1794),

"My grand-father was an Englishman, born, I believe, in the city of London, in Devereux County, in Essex-Street, which is so called from Robert Devereux, Earl of Essex. From this circumstance, perhaps, or from his being in the army of the Earl of Essex, he named his first son Robert, and his second son Devereux... my uncle (Devereux Jarratt -1700 to 1760) was the first to have that name in Virginia, or even in America, and it was confined to our family for 50 or 60 years."
(This quote gave some history of the origin of the names of Robert Jarratt's sons, Robert and Devereux, and even his grandson, Rev. Devereux Jarratt by way of his uncle's name. Perhaps his own first name of Robert was in honor of Robert Devereux, Earl of Essex.)

Other history of Robert Jarratt was shared by Austin Wheeler Smith, Dean of the Tennessee Polytechnic Institute, on August 1, 1941, in his publication, Smith-Jarratt and Allied Families Genealogy. Austin Wheeler Smith stated on August 1, 1941, "The Jarratt coat of arms[3] as been rather definitely identified as that of Richard Jarratt of Somersetshire, England, who was named for his ancestor Sir Richard Devereux, eldest son of Walter, Viscount Hereford of Herefordshire, England. If that descent is correct, and evidently it is, the Jarratt coat of arms is that of Richard Jarratt." The collar of the lion being colored red on the lion of the Jarratt coat of arms was the only difference from the Devereux coat of arms.

Sources

That I can't answer without doing more research. I don't know these lines well at all, learning as I go.

Also, I haven't seen anything to validate my Margaret having been married to two Jarratts - Richard and William. I've only seen her listed as Richard's wife.

Here’s the Smith-Jarratt Genealogy.

https://www.familysearch.org/library/books/records/item/172846-the-...

The earliest known person is the emigrant Robert Jarratt b c 1627 and who seems have been a soldier under the earl of Devereux, hence the use of the name later on as a given name.

No parents identified.

Rabe, H. (1964). The Reverend Devereaux Jarratt and the Virginia Social Order. Historical Magazine of the Protestant Episcopal Church, 33(4), 299-336. Retrieved July 7, 2021, from http://www.jstor.org/stable/42973047

Go to page 96 in the Smith Jarratt book for the intro to the family.

Having trouble with that book page. It'a acting all wonking, keeps flickering to the point I can't utlize anything on the page to get to page 96, so far. Will keep trying. i may have to reload it.

I finally got the page to stop flickering, I guess it was still loading it all but I had Crocketts on page 96, had to go to page 141 to see any Jarratts but didn't see the ones being discussed. I think I'm challenged using some of the resources you use. :(

https://www.prenticenet.com/pnet/news/?/news/2001/cox.htm#the_jarra...

1. Richard Jarratt, b. c. 1599, Somersetshire, Eng. He m. Unknown, probably at Somersetshire, Eng. As indicated in the "Background" material, above, this Richard Jarratt is apparently a descenant of Richard Jarrett, of Somerset shire, England, 1469. Somerset lies in SW England and appears to encompass the Cities of Taunton and Bridgwater. The "Backgrund" material also indicates that the 1469 Richard Jarratt was named for his ancestor, Sir Richard Devereux, elder son of Walter, Viscount Hereford of Herefordshire, England. (For Devereux Genealogy, see Appendix 3: The Devereux Genealogy. So far the identity of the Jarratts in the invervening generations has not yet been determined. Children:

Robert Jarratt, b. c. 1625.. . . . . . . . [2]

2. Robert Jarratt, b. c. 1625, Devereux Co., Essex St., London and d. 21 Jan 1709 at New Kent Co., Va. He m. Mary of Ireland. She was b. c. 1660 and d. 31 Mar 1707, New Kent Co., VA. Children:

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So that makes the Rev’s great grandfather a Richard Jarratt with unknown wife.

I'm going to have to stop for this evening though and see if I can do more tomrrow. Thanks, Erica.

Here’s a source for Margaret Jane Sherwood with no citations for the claim.

https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/160268054/jane-sherwood

I separated Margaret Sherwood from wife of Richard Jarratt

There are the two studies to say the 1st Jarratt wife was unknown, and a Find a Grave unsourced reference has little credibility compared to that.

There is a (poor quality) record for the Margaret Sherwood who married Williamson, but again, that doesn’t tell us her parents.

If you can place Edmund Sherwood in Virginia it might be worth revisiting: but on the other hand, we don’t even know which Jarratt was the first arriver, Robert Jarratt or his father.

Here’s the first few pages of The Jarratt Genealogy
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https://www.geni.com/documents/view?doc_id=6000000176866585899#

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