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Shadrack Bunch - Which mother for Shadrack?

Started by Cynthia Curtis, A183502, US7875087 on Tuesday, July 13, 2021
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Fortune or unknown or someone else?
Dates ok?
Here is the Consistency check at this time:
Consistency Check:Rachel Bunch contains an incomplete burial date, missing year.Fortune Bunch (Holdbee) is over 55 years old for the birth of her child Jemima Holdbee.Shadrack Bunch is under 12 years old for the birth of his child Ishmael Bunch.Ishmael Bunch born before the birth of his mother Christian Bunch (Small).
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Shadrack Bunch

Neither.

Not a known son of Paul Bunch, Sr

Give me a few minutes to disconnect more wrong children of Paul.

Ref: the Obama study.

The Obama study.

https://cnnespanol.cnn.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/descendancy_f...

Curator note:

Only known son by unknown woman was John B. Bunch. Also married Fortune Holdbee.

John B. Bunch, Sr. Was named in his Will. So were Jemima Holdbee & Sarah Bunch so perhaps they were daughters with Fortune Stanton

Disconnecting these Bunch’s as not his:

Paul Bunch may have had the following children: John, his son born about 1692, Russell, a daughter, received one shilling by her father's will, ?Fortune Holdbee, ?Keziah Holdebee, ?Jemima Holdebee, ?Elizabeth Bunch.

Disconnected as daughters of Paul Bunch

This talks a lot about people named Bunch... https://archive.org/stream/northcarolinahis02hath/northcarolinahis0...

Cynthia, read this about Shadrack (Has to do with Obama ancestry)... https://cnnespanol.cnn.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/descendancy_f...

JESSE4 BUNCH, born by 1708, if the report that he was taxed for 50 acres in Perquimans County in 1729 is accurate.158 He resided in Chowan County and appears to have been closely associated with Shadrack and Ishmael Bunch. The chronology of their descendants needs to be studied in detail to verify whether Jesse was father of Shadrack and Ishmael or whether he might actually be younger than predicted and belong to the next generation. Jesse had a patent of 640 acres in Chowan in 1753 and 720 acres on the east side of Chowan River joining land of Thomas Hubbard, William Lewis, and Shadrack Bunch on 11 May 1757.159 Jesse Bunch, Micajah Bunch, and Ishmael Bunch fought during the French and Indian War in a company of men from Chowan County commanded by Captain Lewis according to a list drawn up 25 November 1754.160 Jesse was taxed in Chowan County in 1753 (as was Ishmael), 1765 and 1768.161 Ishmael Bunch died in Chowan County in 1763. Ishmael’s administration was granted to Josiah Small.162 Jesse Bunch purchased 100 acres in Perquimans County on Yeopim

SHADRACK BUNCH, born about 1715–25, purchased 100 acres on the easternmost side of Rockahock Creek in Chowan (called Patchets Next) from Luke White on 25 July 1746.164 Shadrack sold 100 acres on the east side of Rockahock Creek, Chowan County, on Paget’s Neck at the mouth of Grindles Branch Dam to Jesse Ambross on 6 July 1756. Micajah Bunch witnessed the deed.165 Ishmael Bunch purchased 205 acres in Chowan County from Anthony Jones on 23 March 1757 (so was born by 1736). Micajah Bunch also witnessed this deed.166 Shadrack Bunch was taxed in Chowan County in 1746, 1747, 1748, 1750, 1762, 1765, 1768, and 1770.167 Shadrack Bunch died testate in Chowan County making his will on 17 October 1786. He named his wife SARAH, sons William and Collen Bunch, and daughters Rachael Goodwin and Mary Bunch.168

And the older brother of Shadrack and Jesse:

ll. PAUL4 BUNCH, born about 1690–95, intended to settle in Beaufort County, North Carolina, before his death, but died in 1741.135 He was the same Paul Bunch who purchased 640 acres on Indian Town Creek in Chowan Precinct on 31 July 1729.136 Paul Bunch sold William Mackey 640 acres on Indian Town Creek formerly belonging to Thomas Bray on 2 April 1734.137 Mackey sold it to Joseph Creek on 6 September 1735.139 Robert Hilton and Joseph Anderson sold John Boyd 600 acres lately in possession of Paul Bunch on 12 October 1736.140 Paul Bunch was sued by William Badham in Chowan County in 1736.141 Paul had been a planter in Bertie County in the 1730s, but had just arranged before his death to purchase an island in Beaufort County to be planted with an orchard and have a house built. This was to cost £100 (by agreement dated 10 November 1737), so Paul Bunch was well established by 1741.142 His administrator was his adult son, who was also named Paul Bunch. This youngest Paul was certainly born by 1720, so the father Paul Bunch must have been born some years before 1699. He could therefore be a brother of Henry Bunch (born about 1685–90).

These are children of

4. [?HENRY]3 BUNCH, born about 1660–70 in Virginia, was apparently the father of several of miscellaneous early Bunch settlers who went to North Carolina (those who were not named in Paul Bunch’s will, though they were also recorded as mixed race in later records). The following Bunches are grouped here because they cannot be shown to definitely descend from Paul Bunch or John Bunch II.121 There was also a slave who was probably not a Bunch by blood, but who used the name John Bunch as a ruse to pass as free. A “runaway Malatto Man Slave, named Jack” who belonged to Samuel Harwood, the younger, of Charles City County, was in South Carolina in April 1719 according to the testimony of George Rives, age fifty-nine, who said he talked with Jack many times.122 In his testimony, Rives recounted that Jack had gone into South Carolina in the company of Mr. Robert Hix and other traders, disguising himself by using the name John Bunch. Jack said he would have willingly returned to his master, but he was detained by a man named Capt. How and other traders there. Rives further testified that he knew Harwood’s runaway slave very well because they had lived on the plantation of Poplar Swamp, swearing deposition on 6 September 1719.
i HENRY4 BUNCH, born about 1685–90, purchased

I think more folks need to get their Bunch lines ion from the bottom. There are a lot of same names and that is to be expected but the fewer choices, the less likely we are to get the correct ones.
I love the wills!
And the tax records, and land purchases... but I have trouble reading them for some reason. I know that when I have paper in hand, it is more digestible to me and especially if I can use a highlighter. It helps to be able to comprehend what I have--- the thing with a will is you have to decide it is the correct family group based on names but they are typically handwritten and not indexed or transcribed.
Names make you look for relationship too-- like Ishmael who is showing with a brother named Cullen... definitely SHOULD be easier to find them than say a later generation John and Paul

Erica Howton is there a link for this article?
I know there is a push to make records more available but for now even more are coming up behind the paywalls. I could give examples I am reading about recently that are falling under the .edu but are not scholarly sites

I am asking about a link because I see Rives and Hicks and Bunch all together in your comment and I am not familiar with Harwood but there should be more info on this particular event based on the location and the issue/topic and the number of names involved

Diana Collins, the article says:
"Hugh Gwynn was a justice and one of the relatively few members of the House of Burgesses
of that period, representing York County in 1639/40 and 1646.4 He patented large tracts of land,
including what is now known as Gwynn’s Island in Mathews County. He was a resident of
Gloucester County when it was created in 1651, serving as burgess for that county in 1652.5
Hugh Gwynn was dead by 23 March 1654/5, when widow and executrix, Elizabeth, patented 700
acres in Southside Virginia (a tract Hugh had initially patented on 3 March 1640/1).6"

I have CLOSE full DNA matches with Goins (various spellings) and the name sticks out to me.
I wonder if there was a daughter somewhere in that picture that may have been part of why the more harsh treatment as compared to the two other runaways in the Bunch scenario.

Diana, here’s yours.

Henry4 (son of Henry3, son of John2 Bunch) was father of at least six children:130 1. Jeremiah Bunch [Sr.] born about 1715–20,131 will dated 8 March 1797, Bertie County, North Carolina.132 2. Tamerson Bunch married Thomas Bass.133 3. Susannah Bunch married Lazarus Summerlin. 4. Rachel Bunch married Joseph Collins. 5. Nancy Bunch married Isaac Bass. 6. Embrey Bunch, born about 1730, left a will dated 20 July 1780.134

Wife of Isaac Bass, Sr.

Possible duplicate showing: Nancy "Nanny" Bass

Erica Howton, what father do you have for Shadrack? I don't want to use the Findagrave if it is incorrect. It brought in Paul 1652 but I stopped there. The FAG for Paul brings in parents John Bunch 1632 and Ellenor Baypson and siblings John 1655-1704 and Henry 1660

Article posted many times and also attached to profiles.

https://cnnespanol.cnn.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/descendancy_f...

It is dense. Finding me copying out sections is helping.

No Goins mentioned I don’t think, but close connections with Collins and Gibson.

My Gentry great something uncle connects to Obama’s ancestor Samuel - descends from his brother.

Cynthia Curtis, A183502, US7875087 give it five more minutes please. I’m entering profiles right now. Go look at John Punch > John Bunch 1 > Henry Bunch meanwhile. And look at the source doc attached to them - that’s the uploaded Obama article also.

Erica Howton got it.

Correction, there are two documents. I didn’t upload the later and more complete doc. Link is up thread.

Here we go - uploaded and attached to profiles.

https://www.geni.com/documents/view?doc_id=6000000177041301933

Now we should merge / match the Henry Bunch, Sr. tree. It was missing from Geni until just now!

Eogerson, Sarah, Chowan, Feb'y 3rd, 1798. My two oldest chil-
dren Sarah McGuire and Ishmael Bunch, daughter Eachel Small,
grand-son Josiah McKeel, Amy McGuire, my son-in-law Exr. Test.
KathT Howcott, Fred'k E. Norcom.

Eodet, John, Chowan, Dec. 20th, 1803 ; March Term 1804. Wife
Jean, son John, daughter Elizabeth, daughter Jean Dishon, son

https://archive.org/stream/northcarolinahis02hath/northcarolinahis0...

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