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Caleb Griffin - Married to Bass and/or Dorter?

Started by Private User on Friday, September 17, 2021
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The 1850 census says that Caleb, son of Dempsey Griffin and Mary McCorquodale, was b. c. 1835 in North Carolina. Our Geni tree says he married Emma Bass. But we need to double-check this.

There's a Caleb Griffin who married an Elizabeth Dorter in Sumter County, where Caleb lived, in 1857. The marriage right below his on the register is for Malcolm McCorquodale, so I feel that's a strong signal this might be our Caleb. Right county, right age for marriage, right family name nearby.

We also know that in 1860, Dempsey and Mary's Caleb is back living at home, suggesting his wife may have died. That census also says b. c. 1834.

At the same time, there's also a Caleb Griffin who married an Emma Bass -- [[Emma Griffin Emma Griffin] the wife we're showing on Geni]. That Caleb was born in 1828, per FindAGrave, and died in 1910. His wife being a Bass is supported by her stone.

To add even more excitement, we have another(?) Caleb, b. c. 1840, who appears on the 1870 census with his wife Emma. That Caleb's death record gives a projected birth year of 1841...big difference from 1828 or 1834.

Three different Calebs? And perhaps ours isn't the one married to Emma Bass?

Someone help me sort this out, please. :)

Cynthia Curtis, A183502, US7875087, I'm tagging you because I think you're the person who knows the Bass family? (If not, sorry!)

I should add:

1) Don't get too distracted by all the siblings listed for Caleb...I'm in the process of removing incorrect ones, after two different Griffin families got mis-merged. The lists of siblings for Caleb that I've verified are on Dempsey and Mary's profiles in the "About."

2) Caleb's sister Edna married a Miles H. Bass. So the name is circling around the area.

Private User just now seeing this. Sorry.
I worked with Bass historian Tanna Jo Bass who has since passed away. She was THE source for all Bass lines but especially knowledgable of the various Y haplos. I do have connections with resources but Tanna is irreplaceable.
Let me see what I can find.

Try DOSTER

Thank you so much, Cynthia Curtis, A183502, US7875087! Especially for uploading the documents. :)

So I'm thinking where we might stand is that Elizabeth Dorter/Doster is definitely "our" Caleb's (first?) wife, since the dates, location, and immediate surnames match, and Emma Bass *might* be his second wife but possibly isn't based on the too-early birth date of her Caleb Griffin. (And then that other Caleb Griffin and Emma couple is just totally different and separate, and only exist to frustrate us. :))

Should we maybe disconnect Emma, then reconnect her if we can firm it up? Or leave her with a note? As I said above, Caleb's sister married a Bass, so it wouldn't be shocking if he also married one, but I'm not sure we can prove it enough quite yet.

Just noticed your changes. I'm probably going to revert some of the edits you made to his data fields, at least temporarily. The census records we have are in agreement that he was born c. 1834/5, *not* in 1828/9 like the guy on FindAGrave.

That's why I'm wondering if these are actually the same people, or if the 1829 Caleb from FindAGrave is the one married to Emma Bass, and the 1834 Caleb is the one married to Elizabeth, and they're two different men.

I've created a separate Caleb Griffin profile for the one we know was born in 1828. This profile we'll keep for the 1835 one. If we can ever establish for sure that they're the same person, we can merge them.

I'm pretty sure I migrated over all of your hard work, but if I missed something, let me know.

Normally I'd just chalk it up to the census dates being a bit off, but that's too wide a gap.

Private User too early bride is the Doster in the census because she would have been 13 at the marriage and I didn't look any further to confirm dates but I think he married them both.
I added a few Caleb Griffins to the tree as well

Let me catch up :)

The Emma Bass in the same cemetery as husband Caleb... I looked for parents for her. Only saw a couple of trees at Ancestry with her and they put her as daughter of a Malcolm and Isabella but they are not in that cemetery. Some researchers think AKIE who IS in that cemetery may be her father.
I am hoping to learn more later and will add anything I can find.

https://www.ancestry.com/discoveryui-content/view/18792703:8054 above is:

Elizabeth Doster
in the 1850 United States Federal Census

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Name: Elizabeth Doster
Gender: Female
Race: White
Age: 6
Birth Year: abt 1844
Birthplace: Georgia
Home in 1850: District 770, Macon, Georgia, USA
Line Number: 34
Dwelling Number: 119
Family Number: 119
Household Members Age
Abigail Doster
23
Elizabeth Doster 6
George Doster
5
Susan Doster
4
Caroline Doster
2

FS has her father as Wilson Wesley Doster and mother as Abigail Garron Law.
Abigail is widowed by the 1850 census so maybe she needed Elizabeth to be married young?

Where did you find a birth date for her? I know the FamilySearch tree (that's the SmartMatch that comes up) has an Elizabeth Dorter b. c. 1844, but no one cited it. There are several Elizabeth Dorters (and Dosters!) born 1844-1845 in Georgia, and it looks like all of them lived nice long lives, so that may be a goosechase.

I tend to agree that they could be the same person, but we need an explanation for the birth dates. It would be very strange for him to consistently have one year of birth on records, then suddenly age himself eight years during his second marriage.

Sorry, we were typing at the same time. :) And we had the same thought about that Elizabeth possibly being married off young due to her mother being widowed. But we still don't actually have a valid source for Caleb's Elizabeth being born c. 1844 -- the FamilySearch user didn't add one, of course -- so who knows if it's even correct.

I think all we can say we know for sure is that this Caleb Griffin married an Elizabeth Dorter in 1857 and she was gone by 1860. I don't think we can say we know her age or her parents.

It would take more tree building in the area of the parents of this Elizabeth t discern if they are indeed hers but I think the goal of separating out the parents of Caleb was the goal here? And then family or even we, later, can flesh them out and do further research?

Oh, please don't feel pressured to work on this! If you're not interested in pursuing it any further, definitely don't.

Private User happy to help! I just don't know the goal and I usually work from DNA to fix dirty trees or tree build to a common ancestor. This Emma Bass Griffin is important to me simply because she IS a Bass but I am hearing she is perhaps an NPE.
In the same cemetery she is buried is a Nancy Bass who had two daughters who she gave her name Bass and the father(s) is/are not known. Alice is one of these daughters and the other is Missouri who does not have a FAG memorial (yet?).
I added a "black" Caleb Griffin as well as a few other profiles yesterday in hopes they will be valuable to someone lol.
For some reason, Ancestry gave me hints for a Moses Trueblood and I added him to Geni as well. I love seeing these people find their family groups.

"I love seeing these people find their family groups" meaning the profiles for people, no one in particular

I added Wilson Wesley Doster and Abigail Garron Doster to the Big Tree.
Will revisit and add Census, etc.

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