Karlovy Vary (Karlsbad) records

Old Czech birth/marriage/death records and familiant books are in principle at the website of the Czech National Archive/Národní archiv https://vademecum.nacr.cz/vademecum/. However, it appears that not all material that was accessible at badatelna.eu has been uploaded yet. Moreover, some of the uploaded images cannot be viewed. Bc Jiří Bernas, the IT specialist at the Národní archiv (Jiri.Bernas@nacr.cz) wrote that they have a technical software problem and they are working on it.

The use of https://vademecum.nacr.cz/vademecum/ is a bit more tricky than that of badatelna.eu, the menu and explanations are almost only in Czech. First you must enter the name of the town in the search field (e.g. Karlovy Vary) and make sure that you activate "Pouze s digitalizovanými přílohami " (only with digitized attachments) (must be green). After the search you will get a list of results. On the right side of each result there is a paperclip icon. Left to it there is a pop-up icon. Click on it and you can list through and view the scanned images. If you want to know which places are covered in a register in detail, click on the yellow icon for the specific inventory data on the left side of each result. Then you will see a scan of the cover page of this register on the right side. By clicking on it you can also get to the scanned images. For a permanent link click on "Přímý odkaz na sken".

Eva

See also this helpful guide (with screenshots) by Martin Dostál for finding records from the metrical book fond: https://www.dropbox.com/s/6ruxzonl6alh91b/The%20badatena%20Vademecu...

Here are direct (allegedly permanent!) links to

Metrical books:https://vademecum.nacr.cz/vademecum/permalink?xid=f86bf41ed11ae5f01...

Control metrical books: https://vademecum.nacr.cz/vademecum/permalink?xid=cd507737e9672d2f1...

Familianten books: https://vademecum.nacr.cz/vademecum/permalink?xid=b2ff9ad3db2bd8546...

Marriage permissions: https://vademecum.nacr.cz/vademecum/permalink?xid=e8453b0ef028c0895...

On all of these "landing pages", click the file-tray icon that says "Listovani v pomucce" for a more detailed list of books available. You can browse towns this way, though in many cases smaller towns' records are included in the books of neighboring towns.

The search feature is the best way to find books containing records from those smaller towns at the moment, though I personally find it cumbersome because the results don't show the name of the larger town, only book numbers, record type(s), and years covered.

Hiya dear Matt!

I note that a copuple of GENI members have already wonderfully provided information for you - and, indeed, others too "for the future" - so THANKS to THEM!

And - SIGH! - it's true that vademecum is much trickier /less user-friendly to handle than the good old badatelna.

One tip I'll add is: that in order to arrange a working "link" to a particular page for posting, one has to press the upper-middle-placed "PRIMY ODKAZ NA SKEN" button (shows an icon chain link to the left of it". Duh-duh me took quite a time figuring that out ...

BEST WISHES!

Thank you ALL for these very specific instructions and suggestions. I am going to re-read carefully and try to get familiar with the records this week when I am assured of a couple of uninterrupted hours.

Eva: I know we are fourth cousins once removed but have not had a chance to fully explore our connection yet (very busy with my mother's Vienna/Galicia side). However, I thought of you this week because I discovered that my great-grandmother, Hermina Stein (geb. Herrmann), who emigrated to New York in the 1880's, was not alone in the U.S. Her father came as well! So far my guess is that her mother died, her father remarried, had a couple more kids in Bohemia, came to NY, and had a couple more kids there. So I have been exploring Herrmann descendants all week. I know these could certainly be different from your Herrmanns, but I would like to try to find records on my gg-grandfather Edward Herrmann (born 1847) to continue unraveling this mystery. Also, I know Loebel isn't an uncommon name, but one of Edward's daughters married a Loebel from Bohemia in NY. My ggg-grandmother, brother of your gg-grandfather, was a Löbel/Löbl, so I'm just hoping to eventually find some more on all of this in vademecum.

You're welcome, Matt, and good luck!

May I suggest that you make the profiles of deceased family members public to aid other Geni users in making connections? For example, Hermina: Hermina (Hermine, Minnie) Stein

I have some ancestral surnames in common with you, too (Herrmann and Esterman), though both were common enough regionally (and my Herrmanns were from Nova Cerekev and nearby areas) that I don't have reason to believe we're close relatives. But who knows?

Hi Lisa - My Estermans are from around the current Lithuania/Poland border, so maybe different. Will keep working on the Herrmanns though.

As far as Geni profiles, Hermina was one of the first profiles I made when I started and didn't know about private/public. Since then I've created hundreds and made them public. But how can one know which are still private without going through every branch of the family again?

1. View your own profile.
2. Click the number next to "Profiles Managed" on the right side of the page under "Statistics" to get a list of profiles you managed.
3. On the left side, under "Filters", choose "Private" from the drop-down menu. If you want to filter by date of birth, you can do that too, though that will exclude profiles without a known birth date (even those who are clearly long-deceased), so I'd avoid this at first. Click "Update List" at the bottom left. This will give you a list of private profiles you manage.
4. For the profiles of people you know to be deceased, you'll have to manually make them public one by one.

Hi Matt, fourth cousin once removed!
Nice to hear from you.

You are right, our common ancestor was Israel Loebl (Löbl) from Želeč (Seltsch). His son Adam Herschmann Löbl/Löbel (1800-1885) was the father of my d-grandmother Bertha who married into the Herrmann family. Berthas's husband Jakob Herrmann and his ancestors came from the Vysočina region (Dolní město, Lipnice nad Sázavou, Světlá nad Sázavou). My gggg-grandfather Wolf Loebl adopted the surname Herrmann in 1787. Allegedly he chose this name after HERRMANN Castle in Lipnice/Dolni Město where they lived but I can't find any evidence for this name of the castle there. More probable is the choice of the name Herrmann after the name of Wolf's father - Hersl.

I have not figured out yet if there is a connection between "my" Herrmanns and your ancestor Eduard Herrmann. Do you know a source for the birth record of his daughter Hermine? Her birth date is given in her Geni profile but I have not been able to find the record in the Podbořany metrical books yet.

On Geni there are quite a lot of Herrmann profiles and it is difficult to connect these families back in the 18th century or the time before when many Jews in rural areas didn't use surnames. I suspect e.g. a connection of my Herrmanns with those from Ledeč nad Sázavou but I can't prove.
And the surname Loebl is still more common ...

By the way, we are also distantly related by marriage from my maternal side - through the Weils, Oppenheimers, Lilienfelds, Schillers.

Best,
Eva

Hi Lisa,

thank you for the instruction how to find out which of the profiles you manage are private. I have also created hundreds of profiles not paying attention to making them public. Now I can make it up systematically.

Best,
Eva

Lisa - I just made dozens of profiles public. Thank you! Very efficient and satisfying. Matt

Following

Eva - Source for birth record of Hermine Herrmann is the physical one I have! No idea how it was preserved in the family and I now have it. I just uploaded a scan to her profile. Direct link: https://www.geni.com/documents/view?doc_id=6000000179232208866. Matt

Oh, wow, Matt Stein ! What a cool document to have been passed down!

Awesome birth record Matt. I have a family tree for your branch of the Feig family that Podersam rabbis sent my grandfather when he was getting married in 1931.
I believe it was sent in error because my grandfather told them his father was Moritz but his father's birth name was Markus. They sent him a family tree for the branch of the Feig family that included Moritz Feig birth name Moritz which was Moritz Feig som of Israel(older brother of Aaron) son of Jakob.
I will email you a scan of this document.
The handwriting is beautiful.

Would love to see this, Jonathan. Thanks for sending!