Jose Maximo Simeon Valenzuela - Help me find my connection to him

Started by Erica Howton on Tuesday, October 12, 2021
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My great aunt by marriage was Clara Dolores Hill and her relative https://myvalleynews.com/blog/2021/07/01/margaret-wellman-jaenke/ was a wonderful local historian. Margaret tracked her Mexican side to Simeon ‘Máximo’ Valenzuela and so far I’m not able to reproduce her findings to him, every other connection she wrote about I’ve easily verified. Help appreciated.

exactly what are you trying to do? connect Clara in the profile above to the Jose Maximo Valenzuela profile?

how were Margaret and Clara related?

so you are trying to find the connection between the great grandparents and the 3rd great grandparents.? (assuming the 6 generations were through them,,, rather than her great grandparents from one side were Arnaiz and her 3rd GG on the other were the Valenzuelas.

I have come across before some old California records.. I know there are good old Santa Fe NM. They were all Catholics,, so the church records will be there if not burned.

Margaret was the sixth generation of her family to be born in California. Margaret’s great-grandparents, Manual and Dolores Garduna Arnaiz, homesteaded in Kenworthy Valley in the 1800’s. Her third great-grandfather, Jose Maximo Simon Valenzuela, was born at the San Diego Mission in 1791.

this has some great sources at the bottom. Looks like Jose had a lot of daughters...probably one married
plus 2 wives and a mistress.

https://schwaldfamily.org/getperson.php?personID=I11192&tree=Ro...

I uploaded the 1910 Census. gives her mother and father's birth. and shows the sons that are still at home then.

https://www.geni.com/documents/view?doc_id=6000000179231508878

Thank you!

Margaret (Wellman) Jaenke is Clara Dolores (Arnaiz) Hill's granddaughter.

https://www.geni.com/path/Clara-Hill+is+related+to+Margaret-Jaenke?from=6000000008311837611&path_type=blood&to=6000000179130972826

My father must have met her as a child. She sponsored a local museum.

https://www.hamiltonmuseum.org/site/main?page=9c7a1e7cccb6faf924416...

I haven’t been able to work out how the Arnaiz family connects to Valenzuela.

It’s the right location.

https://schwaldfamily.org/getperson.php?personID=I10541&tree=RodSch...

[S012] Alta Cal Msn Bk #00_1772-1855 _Marr, Early California Population Project, (huntington.org), http://missions.huntington.org/MarriageData.aspx?ID=23795, 20 Oct 1844.
MARRIAGE
Msn. San Francisco Sorano

  1. 357) 20 Oct 1844 ANTONIO PICO, S.D. Bap. #1650, teniente de la compania de San Francisco, de padre

con MAGDALENA BACA

So if the article's generations are correct, then Clara Dolores (Arnaiz) Hill's Mother's mother was a daughter of Jose Maximo Simeon Valenzuela.

This book in the profile says that Clara's father's mother (Teresa) came from Spain around Cape Horn, and the ancestry tree referenced in Teresa's profile has the linked records for the Chilean baptism of Teresa's husband Eugenio Arnaiz (Clara's father's father).

page 60
https://books.google.com/books?id=Oav8FO-AMYsC&lpg=PA59&ots...

Then if the 1910 Census says that Dolores Garduna Arnaiz's mother was born in California (father in New Mexico), then Clara's mother's mother (who is Unknown in the tree), would be the daughter of Maximo for the generation numbers to work.

The GENI tree has her 'maiden' name as Baca, but many people misunderstand Spanish name orders..

Look for a Valenzuela daughter who married a Garduna in (probably) California.

The ancestry tree has Clara as Clariza Daria Arnaiz 1884/1960 who married Wellman and Hamilton.

It has Delores Baca b. 15 Apr 1861 d. 12 Mar 1931 the daughter of Jose Manuel Quintana and Maria Manuel Velarde, but no dates or any other info on them (might not be correct)., because the linked 1870 Census in the ancestry profile (which has a California birth/death and the other things that match) also has Delores's parents as Luberto Baca (31 in 1870) and Louisa Baca (25 in 1870) and everyone born in Sonora, New Mexico. So that might be wrong also.

has her husband (paternal grandfather

confusing wording. Meaning that Clara's father's family came from Spain and Chile, not California.. so the California link is on her mother Dolores side.

I hate we can't edit. And Dolores father has a last name Garduna,, which then can't jump to a father Valenzuela... So either the generations in the article are wrong and missing 1 generation... or it's the maternal grandmother you are looking for... or it can ALL be wrong. LOL

I think the Chile baptism record is someone else, because our guy was born at San Gabriel

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/San_Gabriel,_California

But there’s that reference to sailing around the world, so …

Well, Margaret left my great uncle Wilbur Hill out of her book also. Not to mention Clara shooting her 1st husband. :)

Looks like you found it. I'm still trying to figure out the search criteria for the Huntington Database.... If the surname is actually Guarduno,,, then the parents should be changed also,,, as they are Garduna.

I forgot that the San Bernardino Mission was San Gabriel Arcangel

Check this out

https://images.findagrave.com/photos/2010/142/52683349_127462296923...

“Her forefather was a soldier in the Mexican army …”

The grandfather? Which one? What explains the Baca name?

Yes, I’m still having trouble getting that database to work.

A forefather is typically someone older than your grandfather.. although it could be your grandfather. It's older than your father or mother. The Mexican Army was only active in California from 1822 (it took a year to organize after Independence from Spain) up to 1847 after losing the Mexican American War..... I think Mexico started land granting mission land in the 1830s near when they were dealing with Texas. I live in LA 1987-1996. My dad was born there and I have a bunch of great and great great uncles near Hemit, and Escondido, LA, and up north in San Marin and Palo Alto who had moved there from Iowa and Wyoming starting in the 1880s.

It's nice that Auntie Fannie found time for the Anza Thimble Club

Baca could be a nickname. Vaca is pronounced Baca... for someone skinny. Since vaca means cow. Mexican Spanish weirdly insulting that way but meaning to be nice. I didn't see anything related in the family names.

Baca can also mean "little berry"

Occupation: soldado del Presidio de San Diego

The obit for Fannie Contreras, Valley Pioneer, said she was a charter member of the Anza Thimble Club.

I'm missing something. I just saw 2 obits, neither had an Antonio Baca.. where is the link to where he is mentioned? I saw a marriage to Manuel Quintanna in the ancestry info.

https://www.geni.com/documents/view?doc_id=6000000179236812868

Last sentence.

“She also leaves a brother, Antonio Baca of Beaumont.”

March 30, 1931

1-2 brother maybe?

The Manuel Quintana marriage was 5 months before the Manuel Arnaiz marriage, and she had a child, Manuel Quintana. I think different people but I’m not sure.

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