Elizabeth Sullivant - Full name

Citation? Middle name are unusual this early.

Also see notes in profile:

From http://wc.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=:3087796&...

NOTE: "Have read Internet-posted databases that indicate this is Jo-Ann Elizabeth Brown. I have proven that this is not possible, as that family went on to Maine and Massachusetts and this family went to Virginia. No documentation, including the passenger lists, indicate to me that the Sullivant name was also O'Sullivan."

See also: https://www.ancestry.com/boards/surnames.osullivan/218/mb.ashx

"A son, John Sullivan, born in Ardia, 1699, came to Maine in 1723, and was father of Major General John Sullivan, of New Haven (b. 1740. d. 1795), of the Revolutionary army; member of Congress, 1774, and President of New Hampshire, 1786 (see New Eng. Hist. and Gen. Register for October, 1865)."

JOHN O'SULLIVAN came to America October 24, 1655 (Patent Book 3, p. 392, Land Office, Richmond, Virginia). He came as a minor with his mother, ELIZABETH O'SULLIVAN

I’m seeing that immigration record both as Sullivant and O’Sullivan. Need to see if In print on from the Immigrant book, perhaps, to resolve it.

We show her by married name only at this point because the Brown name could be a mixup.

http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~tmetrvlr/sullivan.html

JOHN O'SULLIVAN came to America October 24, 1655 (Patent Book 3, p. 392, Land Office, Richmond, Virginia). He came as a minor with his mother, ELIZABETH O'SULLIVAN. He appears in "a List of Lower Norfolk People" in 1673 as 36 years old (Clerk's Office, Norfolk, Virginia; William & Mary Quarterly, Vol. 26). In the early Virginia records the name is variously spelled: USEHULLEVAN, USULIMAN, O'SWELLIVANT, O'SULLIVAN, SULLIVAN. Named JOHN THOMAS for two maternal ancestors. JOHN O'SULLIVAN's will is recorded in Princess Anne Co., Virginia, Lynhaven Parish, dated May 12, 1698, proved Sep 7, 1698, Book 1, page 194; see also State Library, Richmond, Virginia. Lands owned by him are mentioned in the will of Matthew Brinson June 12, 1681 (Jour. Irish-American Society 25/103.).

https://books.google.com/books?id=iY71nSHUprYC&lpg=PA186-IA3&ots=M9Jipa93sU&dq=JOHN%20O%27SULLIVAN%20came%20to%20America%20October%2024%2C%201655%20(Patent%20Book%203%2C%20p.%20392%2C%20Land%20Office%2C%20Richmond%2C%20Virginia).%20He%20came%20as%20a%20minor%20with%20his%20mother%2C%20ELIZABETH%20O%27SULLIVAN&pg=PA186-IA3#v=onepage&q=JOHN%20O'SULLIVAN%20came%20to%20America%20October%2024,%201655%20(Patent%20Book%203,%20p.%20392,%20Land%20Office,%20Richmond,%20Virginia).%20He%20came%20as%20a%20minor%20with%20his%20mother,%20ELIZABETH%20O'SULLIVAN&f=true

John O’Sullivan came as a minor with relative Elizabeth Sullivant.

(Interesting)

https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/OSullivan-33

John Sullivan was born 1640 in County Kerry, Ireland to Owen O'Sullivan and Mary Fitzgerald. During the troubles of 1641, the O'Sullivans forfeited all or nearly all of their possessions in these baronies. He was transported to Virginia by William Walker of Northumberland County on 25 October 1655 accompanied by a sister/relative Elizabeth Sullivan(t).

https://archive.org/details/cavalierspioneer00nuge/page/318/mode/2u...

Yes, I was just reading it. Here’s a webpage of it

https://homepages.rootsweb.com/~tmetrvlr/sullivan.html

It’s not well documented though, and what do you make of 1) it was a Maine family 2) the idea that sister or aunt escorted minor brother?

The source doesn’t indicate that Owen Donel or his wife came to America.

O’Harts has errors, but that’s not the query, which was, the name of Elizabeth Sullivan(t). I asked for sources. There is a family tree name, disputed, for the mother of John Sullivan(t), b 1637.

But we don’t know that the Elizabeth who came to America with John was his mother. The primary source names her Elizabeth Sullivant and does not define her relationship to John. Secondary sources - they in fact vary in defining her relationship.

So I think you face a choice. If you want his mother to have the name from family trees, we need a source. And we’ll set up Elizabeth Sullivant as a separate undefined relative.

Does that make sense?

I’ve attached what I know so far.

https://www.geni.com/documents/view?doc_id=6000000179892516174

https://www.geni.com/documents/view?doc_id=6000000179907460995

Notice the family tree calls her “mother” and the published book calls her, more cautiously, “relative.”

Private User - can you help address the Irish tree please? It’s been a long time since I even looked at the planter, much less up the tree.

Thanks much.

Just a reminder that the source, “ South Carolinians in the Revolution. with Service Records and Miscellaneous ...” By Elizabeth Petty Bentley, Sara Sullivan Ervin is likely using a family submitted pedigree and and not historical research.

I hope you can find articles published in Virginia Magazine or William and Mary Quarterly, or even Tyler’s Encyclopedia of Virginia biographies, or Boddies Southern Families. Would much enhance the tree quality.

I do agree that the comment the mother Brown is the Massachusetts Brown does not hold up. So we’re finding the same things.

Done. It would be interesting to try and develop Thomas Brown - feel free to edit etc.

And we’re talking hundreds of years ago. Part of why we look for good historical reconstructions in peer reviewed publications. There are some good bloggers also.