Michael Buschl

Started by Linda Baker on Wednesday, November 17, 2021
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11/17/2021 at 8:18 PM

I am trying to trace the origins of my ancestor, Michael Buschl, who was born in Bavaria (Oberammagau) in about 1799, and who left the come to NZ with his wife and four children (Anna, Kreszens, Johannes, and Michael) in 1842 on the St Pauli. There is no information that can be traced re Michael's parents in Germany, and a DNA test and registration with ancestry.com has yielded no DNA links to Germany or Bavaria so far, which is very odd. His parents on the St Pauli manifest describe his parents as Unknown - and he was a Catholic Priest in Oberammagau before he left the priesthood and married Maria, his wife, in his 20's. Any information - or directions re how to obtain further information - would be very much appreciated! I am a New Zealand resident and a direct descent of Michael and his youngest child, Michael - my 2nd great grandfather.

11/17/2021 at 9:26 PM

Have you uploaded your DNA to all the other sites. MyHeritage is meant to be better for European ancestry than Ancestry. You may just not have inherited that DNA. Have you a sibling or two to test? And cousins? You need many testers to cover all inherited DNA.

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11/17/2021 at 10:05 PM

Linda are you on gedmatch? Ive done an ancestry , and my heritage dna

11/17/2021 at 10:35 PM

Hi Linda
Have you checked out paperspast to find out about the St Pauli and the journey to NZ. https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/NENZC18430715.2.11?end...

If that doesn't come through, contact me. Sounds like it was a great voyage. My 3rd great granny came out on the same ship and apparently married on the ship. Exciting!
Cheers Kathy

11/17/2021 at 10:37 PM

Hi Linda

This may help.
Michael I Büschl
In MyHeritage Family Trees
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Name Michael I Büschl
Birth July 11 1801
Sankt Georg Or Sankt George,Amern,Rheinland,Prussia
Christening July 12 1801
Katholisch,Amern St. Georg,Rheinland,Prussia
Marriage Marriage to: Mary (Anna Meriah) Hyndrym
Circa 1835
Bavaria, Germany
Immigration St Pauli
June 14 1843
Nelson, New Zealand
Death Mar 14 1873
Wairoa Gorge, Nelson, New Zealand
Burial 1873
Saint Joseph Catholic Church, Wakefield, Tasman, New Zealand
Family members
Wife
Mary (Anna Meriah) Büschl (born Hyndrym)
1802 - 1887
Son
Michael Buschl
1834 - 1900
Source
Cunniffe Web Site
Updated on July 12 2020 (1 year and 4 months ago)57 profiles in one family tree9 photos
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Gail Sutton
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https://www.myheritage.com/research/record-1-769371651-1-500035/mic...

Kind regards

Murray Mason

murraymason@gmail.com

11/17/2021 at 11:17 PM

Hi Linda, Murray Mason above seems to have found some great information. Also www.familysearch.org . Searching under Find shows a brief summary as well. Not as comprehesive as Murray Mason's. Cheers Chris Howes

11/18/2021 at 12:35 AM

I was going to say contact the council and ask for details of a historical/genealogical society or local archivist using [info@gemeinde-oberammergau.de]

From what Murray has posted above it would be worth trying to contact someone in Amern also, though the tree he is citing is just a collection of data from other MyHeritage trees so there is no way to judge how accurate it is.

Here is the Geni profile for your ancestor Michael Buschl

11/18/2021 at 1:18 AM

Hi Linda
I’m a Kiwi living in Germany. In the olden days Catholic families often gave a child to the Church to raise as their own , giving up all biological rights. With the information you can collect from the families time in NZ and your dna matches you should be eventually find the links to the correct families. Once that’s narrowed down and you have established an area you should be able to apply to the local Rathaus (city Hall records) we also have a surname search engine for Europe which can show where surnames have historical links to. Generally speaking children given to the Zchirch normally were raised within that Parish.The fact he has chosen a normal life is interesting as the Church usually provided a very basic life of servitude. Good luck with your search

11/18/2021 at 3:00 AM

Hi Linda
His name appears on wikitree (https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Buschl-2, and https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Buschl-4), so it could be worth contacting the people looking after those two pages if you haven't already.

There's also a reference to a Michael Buschl in a 19th century German book.
I can't read German, but it could be worth a look:
Königlich Bayerisches Intelligenzblatt von Niederbayern: 1842
https://books.google.co.nz › books· Translate this page
Niederbayern (Regierungsbezirk) · 1842
Michael Buschl , oormaliger Gemeindevorstand Salter , landrich ter . und Defonom zu Anjenfirchen gedenkt mit seiner Familie nach Nordamerika auszuwanderu .

Also entries in Bavarian records for Passau in the early 1800s:
https://www-bavarikon-de.translate.goog/search?terms=B%C3%BCschl,+A...

Also another German website - Gen_Pluswin - has references to
" Johann BÜSCHL and Theresia PERSCHI (on February 23, 1832 at Kirchl. Heir.); with Michael BÜSCHL and Anna HEIM (on January 27, 1836 at Kirchl. Heir.); with "Franz" Xaver BÜSCHL and Juliane OTTENWALD (on September 17, 1839 at Kirchl. Heir.);"
(at http://www.genpluswin-database.de/nofb/ofb/insel/index.php?id=zeig1...
). Is this maybe your family?

Hoping one or two of these may be useful,
Anne

11/18/2021 at 9:48 AM

Linda

There is also a Wikitree - Buschl that mentions Micheal and his descendants and 3 DNA links good luck in your search .

https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Buschl-2

Robyn

11/18/2021 at 11:31 AM

Wow!! Thank you all SO much for your quick responses, and the amazing amount of information you have all collectively provided.....and a massive shoutout to Murray Mason - this is the first time we have a potentially confirmed birthplace and birthdate/christening for Michael Buschl. And being Prussian, that may indeed be the reason the DNA traces are not specifically linked to Germany - i.e. gifted to the Church. We have been concentrating on Bayern and Bavaria and may be in the wrong place entirely. FYI - a number of us have uploaded DNA to MyHeritage, Ancestry DNA and a couple of others that I don't recall, but there have been no clear links to Germany or Bavaria in these tests - but some to Scandinavia and also Russia. So the information above has given us some rationale for our current results. Again, thank you all so much - very much appreciated! Take care.

11/18/2021 at 11:48 AM

Hey Michael

Here is an interesting story about someone who got help tracing German kin by the Legal Genealogist who's stories I really respect ...
https://madmimi.com/p/06fe3c?pact=124454-165509406-13028246704-6c5c...
Best wishes Alistair
"Yesterday I asked fellow members of one of my favorite genealogical societies — Die Maus (die Gesellschaft für Familienforschung e. V. Bremen), the Bremen Genealogical Society1 — for help nailing down the death date and place of my German grandmother’s youngest brother."

11/18/2021 at 2:10 PM

Hello Linda
Michael Buschl was my great great Grandfather and Father of Anna my Great Grand Mother
and great grandmother of my Mother.
Glender Buschl and Ian Cunliffe complied a sizable book on the family for a family Reunion back in 1993. Ian's last known addresswas 5 Motupipi Road Takaka 7172.
I have a family tree on the latter day Saints web site ( no obligations ofr joining fees) Which follows pat of the family back to 1800 which you may be able to access fron the web site below.
https://www.familysearch.org/tree/pedigree/landscape/G9LZ-8H7

Hope this may help a little.
kindest regards,
Barrt Rankin

11/19/2021 at 11:51 AM

Hi Linda
I have access to the family tree with the whole history and the contact for the writers of it. Can you please email me at debmgrover@gmail.com.
Thanks
Deborah Grover

1/12/2022 at 4:58 AM

Hey Linda!.

Cuz, hope you're well. I also found this discussion trying to trace back into Germany via our 3rd great-grandfather. Thanks to Murray for his awesome findings.

I'm also keen to get in touch with Deborah; would love to know as much as possible about the old country.

Don't you just love the internet?

1/14/2022 at 10:09 AM

Hi Daniel
Linda gas my sister's contact details and she has the book about the family.
Deb

1/16/2022 at 9:14 PM

Much appreciated, Deb.
Thanks

1/23/2022 at 11:40 AM

Hey there Daniel 😊 Hinemoana is going to travel to Amern and check the Church records for a possible birth parent name. We have a lot of close genetic matches all over the planet, particular the US, so these may also give us a common ancestor name to follow up on. Will keep you posted! X

1/26/2022 at 8:20 PM

Hey Linda, that's great!
I hope she gets lots of photos, specially that cute little gothic church.

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