Charles (Steward) Stewart - Disputed Origins

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Charles Stewart (b. about 1725-1730, d. November 15, 1807 Wake County, NC; md. Hannah Kirk) was not the son of Reverend James Stewart and his wife Elizabeth Campbell. This belief stems from statements published in an 1879 genealogy "Historic Memorials of the Stewarts of Forthergill" by Charles Poyntz Stewart stating that Charles Stewart and his brother Alexander Stewart (1725-1772), sons of Reverend James Stewart of Wester Clunie, Perthshire, Scotland, settled in North Carolina. While Alexander Stewart did immigrate by 1751 to Norfolk, Virginia and later migrated to present day Pitt County, NC near the community of Pactolus, there is no evidence that his brother Charles also came to North Carolina, despite the statements made by Charles Poyntz Stewart in his treatment on the family of Rev. James Stewart. In the appendix of "Historic Memorials of the Stewarts of Forthergill" is a series of letters exchanged between various members of the Rev. James Stewart family. Most researchers have never properly analyzed these letters. In 1758, Charles Stewart of Lisburn, Ireland wrote his nephew James Stewart of Kilbrandon (son of Rev. James) a letter in which he inquires of James' brother Charles. Charles of Ireland mentions in the letter that the last knowledge he had of his nephew Charles, he commanded a ship trading off the coast of Africa. Later, in 1769, Alexander Stewart of Pitt County, NC (not to be confused with his first cousin Alexander Stewart of Bath, Beaufort County, NC, who was rector of St. Thomas' Church) wrote a detailed letter to his brother Peter Stewart in Scotland. In that letter, he inquires of his brothers Charles and John, and indicates that since his arrival in the new world (i.e. between ca. 1751-1769), he had heard from Charles but not from John. It is doubtful that he would have inquired of Charles from his brother Peter in Scotland if Charles had actually been residing in North Carolina. Alexander also stated in the letter that he had no relations in the new world except for his cousin "Sandy" (i.e. Rev. Alexander Stewart of Bath). Thus, a careful study of this original correspondence shows quite clearly that Charles Stewart (son of Rev. James Stewart) was a ship captain who traded in Africa prior to 1758, and probably did not reside in North Carolina at that time. He evidently was still not in North Carolina as of 1769 based on his brother Alexander's letter. Our ancestor Charles Stewart first makes an appearance in the records of Cumberland (Harnett) County around 1764 or 1765. Thus, Charles (son of Rev. James) could not be identical with our Charles Stewart, who settled on Neill's Creek in Cumberland (present day Harnett) County, NC and later resided at Kennebec in southern Wake County. It also seems rather improbable that a successful ship commander trading in Africa would have retired to the backwoods of Harnett County, NC to become a land owning farmer.

Disconnected as son of Reverend Charles Stewart, Minister of the Gospel at

Tagging Gayle Stewart Wilson who brought to attention.

DNA testing has confirmed beyond virtually any doubt that Charles Stewart (md. Hannah Kirk) was the likely son of Charles Steward (d. 1750) and his wife Mary Proctor of Spotsylvania County, Virginia. In 2011, I co-sponsored a 67 marker y-chromosome DNA test for a known, proven descendant of this Virginia couple, and the gentleman was an almost perfect match with various descendants of Charles Stewart (md. Hannah Kirk) who have already been genetically tested. Charles Stewart (md. Hannah Kirk) originated in Spotsylvania County, Virginia, not Scotland. His probable father Charles Steward (md. Mary Proctor) died in 1750 in Spotsylvania County, Virginia, and his probable grandfather Charles Steward (md. Grace) died in 1725 in King George County, Virginia.

There is a wrinkle to be reconciled. Was he dead in 1684.?

https://www.colonial-settlers-md-va.us/getperson.php?personID=I1244...

not proved to these parents

1772-1798 Spotsylvania County, Virginia Will Book E, Administration Bonds; [William Armstrong Crozier]; £500 William Biggers, admr. of Charles Stewart, decd., with Meacon Biggers, sec. June 1, 1784.

1772-1798 Spotsylvania County, Virginia Will Book E, Administration Bonds; [William Armstrong Crozier]; £300 Charles Steward, admr. of John Steward, decd., with George Arnold, sec. Nov. 1, 1785.

Ancestry Message Boards, Stewart - Family History and Genealogy Message Board, Charles Steward and Johanna (Hannah) Kirk (http://boards.ancestry.com/thread.aspx?mv=flat&m=9015&p=surnames.st... : Accessed 8 Feb. 2017) This thread has very good arguments against Charles Stewart being the son of Rev. James Stewart and Elizabeth Campbell and some good points toward him being the son of Charles Stewart and Mary Proctor of Spotsylvania, Virginia. This includes a link to the Stewart DNA Project.

Hi Erica, Thank you for looking into Charles Stewart/Steward. I knew about the ship captain story you copied to me, but Stewart researchers have always accepted the genealogy given until current day DNA may have to change what we used to believe.

Here’s the Y DNA grouping

I2b1 Group Type 3: I2b1c (M223+, P78+)

The ancestry here is vague - Charles Steward - but this tree is pointing to an English origin (West counties) rather than Scots.

The migration of your Charles to North Carolina from Spotsylvania is also consistent with what I know of patterns. So it’s not just the DNA, there’s a coherent family story, and over a long period.

Congratulations!

Erica, you are amazing!

Thank you. Hope it pans out.

So Erica, I have 4.62% Scottish royalty DNA and share DNA with Robert de Bruce so I need to figure out how that fits in with the DNA of the proven descendant of Charles Stewart/Hanna Kirk used in the Stewart DNA project, if at all. Scratching my head here...

Too long ago, too many possible ancestors.

It means that your Steward line is ruled out as direct male descendants of The Stewart (Royal) line.

According to https://www.familytreedna.com/groups/stuart/about/background, that Y DNA is the L21 branch of R-M269.

But this says nothing about the rest of your ancestry.

That is correct. I did solve the puzzle for the Bruce, however. I am a direct descendant (and also a descendant in a more roundabout way), but not through the Stewarts as I imagined it might be in the Stewart/Bruce marriage but rather through my maternal 6th great grandmother's line, the Sinclairs.

Managers of Charles Steward,

I am contacting you about this profile: Charles Steward

I think the parents listed on Geni for Charles might be incorrect. Tim Dowling of geneanet.org has James Stewart 1639-1679 and Helen Campbell b:1639 as parents for Charles. I sent the link for his tree to Erica.
This line goes back to almost the beginning of time (just kidding) on FamilySearch.org.
Thank you.
Sincerely,

Gayle Stewart Wilson

I for one need to understand evidence for any parents, so disconnecting Joseph John Steward & Elizabeth Steward for now.

https://gw.geneanet.org/tdowling?lang=en&pz=timothy+michael&nz=dowl... Is suggested, but there are no citations, so not a way to evaluate.

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