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Alex Moes C
12/31/2021 at 5:06 PM

Research into the origins of Anna Lippkin has turned up the name Kurikka.

It is unclear what the exact connection is but one possibility would be that Anna was from Kurikka, we are not sure even if she ever emigrated to USA or not.

Unfortunately the Hiski database only has records for Kurikka up to the 1850s, approximately when Anna was born, and return no matches for the name Lippkin.

Any advice appreciated.

Heidi Airasmaa-Fouchault PRO
1/1/2022 at 1:27 AM

Hello Alex and Happy New Year!

Would that last name have been Lipponen?

It would be worthwhile to change the country of origin from Sweden to Finland. In America, these two are messed up from time to time and searches become more difficult.
Alex Moes C
1/1/2022 at 4:05 AM

Hei Heidi,

Who knows!

The only evidence at this point is the death certificate of her son https://www.geni.com/documents/view?doc_id=6000000177353076830. The informant was Anna's grandson. He may have been 100% correct in the data he supplied or he may have been very confused!
Hannele Marja Ihainen
1/1/2022 at 12:29 PM

Hello Alex,

There is a last name Lipasti in Kurikka. Lipasti was originally a farm in Kurikka and later there has been many versions of name Lipasti: Lipaskuusi, Ala-Lipasti, Yli-lipasti, Keski-Lipasti, and Oja-Lipasti. Some of them are still in use as a last name.

Do you know anything more about Anna? Has she been born about 1850-1859 ?

Here you can see the baptized children of Kurikka years 1851-1868.
(Födde och döpte barn = Syntyneet ja kastetut lapset)

https://www.sukuhistoria.fi/sshy/index.htm

I could help you, if you could tell me some more information.

Happy New Year!

from Hannele Ihainen
Hannele Marja Ihainen
1/1/2022 at 12:34 PM

You can find the right page like this: Kirkonkirjat > K > Kurikka > Syntyneet 1851- 1868

- Hannele I
Alex Moes C
1/1/2022 at 5:02 PM

Hei Hannele,

Anna's son , Harold, immigrated to the US. The only evidence we currently have for her comes from Harold's death certificate (which I linked above). Harold died in 1941 and at the time his mother was listed as Anna Lippkin, born Sweden.

Harold was born either 1877 or 1876 (the death certificate and gravestone disagree) so a birth date for his mother in the 1850s would be reasonable, though she could of course be much older.

The link to Kurikka is just a hint from a cousin that is not supported by any evidence and could be completely wrong.

Alex Moes C
1/1/2022 at 8:14 PM

There is a possibility that this Family Search tree https://www.familysearch.org/tree/person/details/GC2B-YRZ represents Harold T. Carlson

Private User
1/2/2022 at 6:38 AM

O. M. G. ! ! !

If you look at the address of the 1910 Federal Census ...... It is 1419 Lewis Street, DeKalb, Illinois

I have quite a few Christmas post cards passed down with that address and Elisabeth's brother Mikko Harjü (Mike Hill translated to English). Also, my father was always told that Mikko lived in the same house AFTER Harold and Elisabeth moved to Pennsylvania. The only information as to when they MAY have moved is between 1911 and 1913. Elmer, my grandfather was born in Illinois in 1911 and his sister Ebba was born in Pennsylvania in 1913.

This information coupled with the Photo's I posted....the Remsujeff surname looks more and more plausable.

Please.....Your inputs are of value to me.

Thank you again for all your help.

Heidi Airasmaa-Fouchault PRO
1/2/2022 at 8:19 AM

@Erika L Carlson-Eldred, you are my 6th cousin once removed... !

Private User
1/2/2022 at 9:10 AM

OH.....I forgot!!!

I have a wedding ring that was passed onto me. It is inscribed with the following:

Lüsi & Tütus 19 14/7 01

Could this be a date of 14 July 1901? And, could this be a clue to names?

Heidi Airasmaa-Fouchault PRO
1/2/2022 at 1:45 PM

@Erika L Carlson-Eldred oh yes indeed! According to the information I have found, Timotej /Harold was called Titus in America. Titus Karlsson. And the other name, Lüsi, was probably Liisa or Liisi (from Elizabeth), nickname Lizzie.

Heidi Airasmaa-Fouchault PRO
1/2/2022 at 1:53 PM

@Erika L Carlson-Eldred, 10 14/7 01 is one of the many ways to mark the date of July 14, 1901
Alex Moes C
1/2/2022 at 6:14 PM

Private User I saw in Elizabeth's obit that she'd lived in PA for 56 years at the time of her death. Which doing the math makes their move in 1912, not concrete evidence but it matches the 1911/1913 window.

I hate to rain on your parade but I have two concerns:

1) you posted your email address publicly today, it's strongly recommended by Geni that you don't do that for internet security reasons. You should use the Delete button in the date/time stamp next to that message and then repost without the address. If you want to share your email doing so via a Private Message on Geni is the recommendation :)

2) Given the records for Timo that Heidi has, I'll add them to Harold/Timo's profile, it looks to me that the parents of Harold currently on Geni (Karl-Johan Karlson of Sweden) are not correct.

Private User
1/2/2022 at 6:40 PM

Alex Moes thank you on the email address...took it off.

I took the wrong profiles off from Harold's parents and going back....from all my sites, maybe it hasn't updated on your end?

Private User
1/2/2022 at 6:43 PM

Alex Moes

I would like to keep my profiles as close to the same as possible.....would you recommend changing Harold to Timo and put Harold in as an Also Known As?
Alex Moes C
1/2/2022 at 7:45 PM

Geni is live, as soon as you remove a profile it is gone for everyone. I just didn't bother to look before i made that comment.

When I look now I can see that they are gone, having said that if we need them back there is a link to them in the Revisions tab.

Despite there being a naming convention, or perhaps because there are so many of them, everyone does things slightly differently. I would change Harold to Timo, add Garvilloff into the middle name field (getting rid of the "T") and then change Carlson to Remsujeff. You could then set the Display name to "Harold T. Carlson", which would mean at first glance he just looks like an American but looking at his profile it becomes quite clear what his original name is. Personally I disagree with using / or " in name fields and it goes against Geni policy but it is still very common.

Alternatively you could use the language tab and add Finnish names into the FInnish fields keeping USA names in the default fields. Personally I don't use the alternative language fields much.

The only rule that I would standby 100% is to put all variants into the AKA field, even the version that you have in the main fields in case someone changes it.

Private User
1/2/2022 at 8:01 PM

Ok, great. Thank you for all the work! For me, this will make sense until I get used to the names, also, it will explain why the headstone photo says one thing and the record another.

Yes, the AKA's, I have found those work awesome...even in other sites.

Now to see what other documents I can find ;-)
Alex Moes C
1/2/2022 at 8:09 PM

I've updated the profile name fields for you, just a suggestion feel free to change as you see fit :)
Alex Moes C
1/2/2022 at 9:15 PM

I am trying to puzzle out the description of the photo at https://www.karjalansivistysseura.fi/sampo/fi/aineistot/kuvakokoelm... it would have helped if they explained how their numbering system works. I think Timo is 4th from left in front line of men, ie 12th if you count from top left of photo.

If I am reading the Google translated Finnish correctly Timo also used the name "Timo Piesung"?

Private User
1/3/2022 at 12:03 AM

https://sg30p0.familysearch.org/service/records/storage/dascloud/pa...

See if you can get this photo

Heidi Airasmaa-Fouchault PRO
1/3/2022 at 12:50 AM

@Alex Moes, Yes, you are right! According to the text you posted the link to, Timo was also known as Piesung

Private User
1/3/2022 at 1:02 AM

In reading through all of the text and cleaning all of the triplicates out I took that to be the following:

"12. Timo Piesung, wife from Finland, came to Karelia but returned to America

Further information: Timo Gavrilov Remsujeff sn. 1879 - In 1910 lived in DeKalb Illinois Law Street, wife of Lizzie Sn. 1880, children Annie 8yrs, Jennie 5, Paul 3 and Erik 1 year. Apparently in America under the name TItus Karlsson. Father Kauro from Keynä in the archive says that Kauro lost to Sweden for 15 years and returned home from there to his family."

Private User
1/3/2022 at 1:04 AM

There is a lot of repeats and "Further Information:" pieces put in without finishing the previous sentence. Which I am sure was common for that time period.

Private User
1/3/2022 at 1:08 AM

There is also reference to another web site:

https://www.karjalansivistysseura.fi/sampo/sites/default/files/kh-a...
Alex Moes C
1/3/2022 at 5:29 AM

The family search link doesn't work.

I did see the second photo, the link seems to be in reference to Äleksi Luppovits Remsujeff (maybe a cousin?) but also there is a mention of #4 Timo Kavriloff Remsujeff which could be our guy?? Sidebar: I found the record of Karl and Alex Remsuijeff going thru Ellis in 1906 https://www.myheritage.com/research/record-10512-116233738/alex-rem...

I think the triplicate and bad sentence structure is more likely an issue with however made that website rather than people in the 1920s not being able to write properly :)

I tried searching US records for Piesung but didn't find anything
Hannele Marja Ihainen
1/3/2022 at 5:33 AM

This is so interesting! I think I have two photos where is the same man as "11. Kossin Riiko (Lipkin), vaimo suomalainen, jäi Amerikkaa". Could it be possible that Anna Lippkin is Riiko's sister?

I have many photos which I have inherited from my mother's grandmother's sister (Marja Lisa Kesti 1865-1958) who was working in a boarding house when she was in America. Many of the photos have been taken in De Kalb, Illinois, also in Worsester, Mass. Most of the photos are without names.

https://www.facebook.com/photo/?fbid=10213421186038694&set=pcb....

and

https://www.facebook.com/photo/?fbid=10213391135047438&set=pcb....

All the photos are in Facebook, group "Siirtolaisuus - Amerikkaan muuttaneet sukulaiset" published 13.9.2019. Sorry that the texts are in Finnish there.
Alex Moes C
1/3/2022 at 6:34 AM

Hannele Marja Ihainen you asked the other day about spelling variants of Lippkin?

Now that we have confirmed that Harold and Timo were the same man it brings me back to this FamilySearch tree: https://www.familysearch.org/tree/person/details/GD7Z-ZSK which gives Anna's name(s) as Anisija Stafejeva Lipkina, Lipponen and claims a birth location of "Vuokkiniemi, Karjalan tasavalta, Venäjä". I think the location is a guess (maybe Timo's birth place? or Kauros?) but the names may have some value.

Hannele Marja Ihainen
1/3/2022 at 7:22 AM

@Alex Moes I have not rights to watch Familysearch. I use only Geni.

It is nice that Anna has been found.

Harold/Timo's wife Lisa is my relative and that's why I am still interested about this conversation.

Private User
1/3/2022 at 7:48 AM

Hannele Marja Ihainen, Anna Lippkin is my 2x Great Grandmother, how is she related to you?

Private User
1/3/2022 at 8:03 AM

Alex Moes Hopefully this time it will work

https://www.geni.com/photo/view/6000000172249039821?album_type=phot...=

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