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Mary Ann Floyd has a Find a Grave entry that defies logic. The linked parents are Preserved (Zarv) Ford, II and one of Zarv's 4 wives Merriam Ford

There is a notation in the bio section of the Find a Grave entry "Mother: Celia Barfield Ford?" Celia Barfield or Barefield is supposed to be one of the other 4 wives and from the notorious Barefield family of Tories that infiltrated just about every patriot family in Horry and Georgetown counties, SC into Robeson, Brunswick, and Columbus counties, NC. I mean someone should write a book about them.

I don't get a lot of clarity on the children and who they need to be attributed to with regards to wives. Any help would be appreciated. I haven't connected Mary Ann to a mother yet, but Merriam Ford or Celia (Sallie) Ford are the likely options or could it be one of the others.

Well, if you want to believe that Merriam Ford vital statistics are:

Birth: 1752
Colonial Era US

Death: 1800 (47-48)
Lake View, Dillon, formerly Marion District, South Carolina, United
States

and that Celia (Sallie) Ford has the following vital stats:

Birth: 1749
Georgetown District, Marion County, South Carolina, Colonial US

Death: 1798 (48-49)
Marion District, currently Dillon County, South Carolina, United States

We still have two more wives to reportedly sort out the following children noted in Family Search https://www.familysearch.org/tree/person/details/GM1H-LYB

Captain James H. Ford
1776–1854 • LDT7-8HY​​

Major George Ford
1779–1833 • LJBM-KHC

Thomas Herald Ford
1779–Deceased • L29L-NXH​​

Preserved Ford
1780–1867 • LJY1-NXG​​

James Ford
1781–1841 • GMQG-XHT​​

Cooper Ford
1782–Deceased • LK79-F7V​​

Rachel Elizabeth Ford
1784–1832 • L636-QQV​​

Major Jesse Ford
1788–1860 • LHWP-XVG​​

William J. Ford
1792–1856 • GWCJ-GBW​​

Mary Ann Ford
1797–1862 • LHVD-8N1

Major George Ford
1779–1833 • LJBM-KHC​​

Major Jesse Ford
1788–1860 • LHWP-XVG​​

John Ford
1790–Deceased • L1GR-7PV​​

Charles Ford
1791–Deceased • LK79-F6P​​

William J Ford
1792–1856 • KN1X-R1X​​

John Ford
1794–1862 • LW54-FQ1​​

Charles Ford
1802–1822 • MPRY-HT7
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As you can see above some are duplicates or nearly. Then there are the other two wives.
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From Find a Grave: https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/80720906/preserved-ford

Preserved Ford and his four wives were all buried on the west side near the edge of Neil Arnett's yard not quite in front of the old Masonic Hall (east side of the Masonic Hall).

"He fought for the King of England - probably was caught over in America and had to fight for the king or be tried for treason as some others were at that time."

Tradition has it that he said "a man never had but one good wife, but he had four and they were all good."

The cemetery where he and his wives are buried was plowed over many years ago.

(From Family Notes)
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From W. W. Sellers "History of Marion County, SC" published in 1901.

http://genealogytrails.com/scar/marion/history4.html#ford

FORD.-The Ford family, in upper Marion, were among the first settlers in upper Marion. In the appendix to Ramsay's History of South Carolina, on page 302, volume 2, he says: "There have been many instances of longevity in the county between Little Pee Dee and Catfish Creek, about sixty miles north of Georgetown; six very old men died there since the year 1800. One of them, James Ford, died in or near 1804, at the age of one hundred years. The others are James Mun-nerlyn, Moses Martin, Rockingham Keene, Michael Mixori and William Watson, who all died upwards of eighty years of age, James Munnerlyn served in the office of Constable at eighty-six years, walked fifty miles to serve a process and returned home again in less than thre days."

Where the Fords of Marion originally came from, is unknown. The James Ford mentioned above by Dr. Ramsay, must have been here two hundred years ago; and without better or other information, the writer will assume that either he or some other contemporary Ford were the progenitor or progenitors of the extensive family by that name.

The first one known to the writer, in about 1830, was Preserved Ford, universally called Zarv Ford; he was then seventy-five or eighty years of age, may be older; he lived on the west side of Gaddy's Mills, then called Ford's Mills. It was at an association held at the old Saw Mill Church, on the east side of the mills-the church was old and dilapidated. It was there that I first saw him, and never saw him afterwards. He was a well-to-do man, and prominent in his day; he hadl three sons, Jessee, William and Charles.

Major Jessee Ford, the eldest son, represented the district in the Legislature in the twenties-I do not know the precise date [Jessee Ford was elected a Representative in1820. See list of Representatives in latter part hereof]. He was Major in the militia; his first wife was a Miss Townsend, of Robeson County, N. C.; by her he had two sons, the late Elias B. Ford and Allen Ford; his second wife was a Miss Watson, a daughter of Scarcebook Watson, above Nichols, on the road from Nichols to Lumberton, N. C.; by the second wife he had several sons and daughters; the sons, as their names are remembered, were Watson, Jessee, Thomas, David and Charles Ford. The war and emigration have removed them all, except Jessee, who is now an old and respectable citizen in the community of his birth, and has raised a family, unknown to the writer. The daughters of Major Jesse Ford, as remembered, were Elizabeth, Mary, Caroline and Virginia. Elizabeth married William H. Hays; by him she had several children; Mary married John I. Gaddy, and died in a year or two childless; Caroline married Dr. George E. Shooter, and raised a large family, unknown; I do not remember what became of Virginia. Major Jesse Ford may have had other daughters.

Elias B. Ford, a most excellent and kind hearted man, born in 1809, married, 9th February, 1830, Miss Jane Herring, of Robeson, N. C, a woman of good property and one of the best of women; the fruits of this marriage were three sons. "Sandy" Ford, for a long time in Marion, and very prominent as a business man, now resides in Anderson County [Moved to Texas]. Dr. C. T. Ford, of Mullins, and Rev. Rufus Ford, a prominent minister of the Baptist Church, and now resides in Marlborough, and several daughters. Neill C. McDuffie, Sheriff, married two of them; D. D. McDuffie married one; Joseph N. Page married one, and George Fore married one; one unmarried and one dead, names not remembered. Elias B. Ford lost his wife, the mother of these children, and he married, a second time, the Widbw Helen Pitman, who had four Pitman children, two sons and two daughters; the sons were killed or died in the war, and one of the daughters died during the war, all unmarried; the other daughter, the youngest, Amanda, married the late Joseph R. Oliver, and had by inheritance a good property. Elias B. Ford had no child or children by his second marriage; he died some years ago, greatly missed by the poor of his neighborhood.

Allen Ford, the second son of Major Jessee Ford by his Townsend wife, married a Miss Falk, of Robeson; she died childless in a few years, and he removed to the West many years ago. Major William Ford, the second son of old man "Zarv" Ford, married a Miss Thompson; he was a well-to-do man; had not many children; the writer does not remember but one, a daughter, Sallie, who had a personal distinction, seldom, if ever, met with-she had a black eye and a blue one; a very pretty girl; she married John R. Watson, who occupied and owned his father's homestead, on the road from Nichols to Lumberton, N. C.; he died, leaving six or seven children together with his widow; the children all small; the widow managed well and raised a very nice family, sons and daughters-mostly daughters; the mother died some years ago, much respected while living. Major William Ford may have had a son, not now recollected; he had another daughter, as now remembered, who became and is now, the wife of Captain R. H. Rogers.

Old man "Zarv" Ford's third and youngest son, Charles, died after arriving at manhood, unmarried. There was another old Ford, by name of George, who lived just below Tabernacle Church, on the road leading from Bear Swamp to Allen's Bridge, on Little Pee Dee; he was related to those other Fords, at least collaterally; he was a very energetic man and accumulated some property. I never knew much of him; he was not a very old man when he died. I know that he left two sons, William and Nelson Ford, and know that he had three daughters, if no more, to wit; second wife of William Good-year, Sr.-her name was Elizabeth; also the wife of the late Benjamin Shooter-her name was Mary; she was the mother of the Shooter family, a numerous family, and among them the gallant Colonel W. P. Shooter, who was killed in the severe battle of Spottsylvania Court House, in May, 1864. A family noted for its gallantry in the war. Colonel Win. P. Shooter and two of his brothers (names not remembered) fell on the same day and in the same fight. Another daughter was the wife of Anthony Cribb, and became the mother of our W. T. Cribb and of Dempsy Cribb, Jr.; the latter is dead. W. T. Cribb is a respectable and good citizen, a brave soldier in the struggle for the "Lost Cause," and so was his brother, George T. Cribb. He lost a leg in the contest, and yet lives. Of the sons of George Ford, William (familiarly called "Little Bill Ford"), as now remembered, married, first, a Miss Lupo; he raised some family by her, the names and number not now known to the writer. "Little Bill Ford" has been dead some years, and perhaps his Butler wife. Nelson Ford lived to an advanced age, eighty or more, has not been dead many years; he was a most excellent man and worthy citizen; he married a Miss Lupo, and raised a family, how many is not known; one of his sons, named Hardy, lives near Nichols, and is a most excellent man and one of our best citizens. The Ford family, as a whole, were good people, and extend down two or three generations further than herein traced; for the want of information and personal acquaintance, the writer can go no further. They did their duty fully in the war, and demonstrated to their country a patriotism and courage of which the present and coming generations may be proud. Their connections are extensive.

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Again, not much is recalled about the women.....Sigh.

Ok, we are maybe getting somewhere:

https://sciway3.net/proctor/marion/wills/FordPreserved1829.html

I am attaching it to Zarv's profile. For some reason, I cannot attach it. In 1829, Ceilia was still living. I don't think she died when profiles across the platforms say.

Also lists the sons-in-law such as Francis Floyd (Mary Ford Floyd who does inherit a feather bed in her name) as heirs. Some men didn't believe women should inherit. Apparently, he was one of them given the weirdness of his request for son Charles to give a quit claim deed to wife Celia and if he didn't Celia could still live in the house....????? I will never understand 19th century law.

Named in the will of Preserved:

https://sciway3.net/proctor/marion/wills/FordPreserved1829.html

Will of Preserved "Zarv" Ford. Names wife Celia, children Charles, James, Mary Floyd, George, Thomas, Cooper, Preserved, Jesse, Jes Rawls, John, William, and Francis Floyd (his son-in-law).

What do we do with this in the case of what is believed multiple wives and many children that you cannot sort? Profile named "Wives of Preserved Ford including Celia Barefield"? Need a curator to weigh in? And then what about Merriam Gaddy? Seems the Gaddy's were important to the family. Is there a history somewhere?

Well the DAR may be of some help.... but there are some discrepencies. Thanks Robyn Sherma for tallking me through some of these lines.

Preserved married 1. Miriam Gaddy

Miriam Gaddy born on - - 1755 at _______________
died at Marion Co SC on c - - 1800 married on a - - 1778

and 2. Celia Barfield.

Cecelia Barfield born on - - 1790-1800 at SC
died at Marion Co SC on - - 1841-1849 married on c - - 1775
married at SC

George is a son of Miriam
Mary Ann is daughter of Celia Barfileld b. 1
Jesse is a son of Miriam

From DAR Records:

The Said Preserved Ford (Jr.) was the child of Preserved Ford born on 10 - Mar - 1749 at Marion Dist SC
died at Marion Dist SC on 22 - Mar - 1829 and his ( 3rd ) wife
Cecelia Barfield born on - - 1790-1800 at SC
died at Marion Co SC on - - 1841-1849 married on c - - 1775
married at SC

The Said George Ford was the child of Preserved Ford born on 10 - Mar - 1749 at Georgetown Dist SC
died at Marion Co SC on a 6 - Apr - 1829 and his ( 1st ) wife
Miriam Gaddy born on - - 1755 at Georgetown Dist SC
died at Marion Co SC on c - - 1800 married on a 14 - Feb - 1779

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The Said Jesse Ford was the child of Preserved Ford born on 10 - Mar - 1749 at Georgetown Dist SC
died at Marion Co SC on c 6 - Apr - 1829 and his ( 1st ) wife
Miriam Gaddy born on - - 1755 at _______________
died at Marion Co SC on c - - 1800 married on a 14 - Feb - 1779

The Said William Ford was the child of Preserved Ford born on 10 - Mar - 1749 at Marion Dist SC
died at Marion Dist SC on 22 - Mar - 1829 and his ( 1st ) wife
Miriam Gaddy born on c - - 1752 at Marion Dist SC
died at Marion Dist SC on - - married on a - - 1797

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The Said Mary Ann Ford was the child of Preserved Ford born on 10 - Mar - 1749 at Marion Dist SC
died at Marion Dist SC on 22 - Mar - 1829 and his ( 2nd ) wife
Celia Barfield born on - - 1775 at Marion Dist SC
died at Marion Dist SC on p - - 1830 married on - - 1793

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The Said Mary Ann Ford was the child of Preserved Ford born on 10 - Mar - 1749 at Marion Dist SC
died at Marion Dist SC on 22 - Mar - 1829 and his ( 1st ) wife
Cecelia Badfield born on - - 1755 at Marion Dist SC
died at Marion Dist SC on p - - 1830 married on - - 1793

5.
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The Said William Ford was the child of Preserved Ford born on - - 1750 at Georgetown Dist SC
died at Marion SC on - - 1830 and his ( 1st ) wife
Celia Barfield born on - - 1755 at _______________
died at _______________ on - - married on - -

It is sort of all over the place for some, but Celia is listed as a 3rd wife in some places and we know she was named in the will as his probable last wife.

If Miriam is his first wife.....

As someone who has been struggling with this Ford line = SINCE BECOMING A MEMBER OF DAR to verify my uncle fraughton godbold fords research. i have posed some of these very questions for years to those MUCH more trained than me, i feel VERY strongly there are mistakes in this line. no insult is intended - i realize that it is a part of the DAR records, but many of the records are now needing verification due to the way the documentation was previously "accepted".

my suspicions - due to the ages of the children, 2 children then 9 year gap, several more children, a 4/5 year gap, then will -

even though it is stated zarv had 4 good wives - i believe that Merriam was either the 1st wife married 2/14/1778 (but why the 9/10 year gap of no children which was after the war) or that George's mom (my ancestor) is incorrect and NOT Merriam and the marriage date of 2/14/1778 is the date of the marriage of the 1st wife.

as Merriam's death is recorded as 1800, i feel all children prior to this date are hers. this includes mary ann ford floyd, but specifically ALL those born in the 1790's. could zarv have gone to new western lands after the war and left Merriam home alone with young boys/children, many miscarriages, or was there wife 1 prior to Merriam making her the 2nd wife? any input?

the date of celia death is frequent recorded at 1795. this can not be due to the will date. this will is quite famous as one of the first recorded. some records indicate that celia barfield was born circa 1790 - this would make her a mere child if the mother of the 1790 group of children but if truly the mother, she would and the date of birth is circa 1755, she would have been in 40's having 4 children? also she would have been old for most women at the time of zarvs death definitely not needing her own home, etc but probably needing to live WITH someone. this is why i tend to believe the 1790 birthdate which makes the home designated in will more understandable.

some records record Merriam as Merry, Mary, etc. is this a common spelling mistake or could this be 2 different people? the same question exist for celia barfield. many records call her Sallie - a common family name (my mothers name), was this a nickname, a middle name, or another wife? again, how many wives?

as Celia is listed in the will, i DEFINITELY feel she was the last wife. if Merriam died circa 1800, could her death date actually be the one recorded frequently for Celia 1795 or 1798? if so, then Zarv definitely would need a wife to help raise his small children. i question if Celia had any children of her own, but lovingly raised Zarvs young child while he was "away at war", etc. the children respectfully would regard her as mom, even if not the biological mom as she may have been the only "mom" they knew.

any clues in this discussion as next i question zarvs mom - the two ann's? HOW did he marry ann b from virginia, lived in virginia, and ann b is buried in virginia, but James does not appear to have left the Carolinas? is this another james ford - not an uncommon name? any other thoughts?

Yes, all good questions, Robyn Sherma as the DAR records are misleading with children having two mothers - though as noted, that may be the reasons some lines are question.

My last entry on Preserved "Zarv" Ford's profile is this:

"DAR records indicate that Preserved married 1. Merriam Gaddy 2. Unknown XX (not on any applications, but implied) and 3. Celia Barefield (noted as his 3rd wife in the application listings). If there was a 4th wife, it is unsure who that was or in what part of the sequence she fell as "Celia" is named in the will of Preserved and apparently survived him.

Mary Bell Manning Bethea notes in "Ancestral Key to the Pee Dee" that Preserved married "Sally Barfield" (b. 1755) in 1828 which was a year before Zarv died, but Behtea also indicates that Sally was the mother of the only children she has listed for Zarv - Jesse, William, and Charles. As in many cases of an ancestral key, before the age of computers, discrepancies abound in the text.

Was "Sally" a fourth wife's name and she has just become an amalgamation of Celia and the unknown wife or was it simply a misspelling of Celia? More questions than answers."

More questions than answers. I think there needs to be one profile listed "wives of Preserved Ford, II" and attach all his children to them noting in the profile these same things we have said that it is known that two of his wives were Merriam Gaddy and Celia Barfield. What children belong to which, is unknown. That is a cop-out of some sort in many ways, but when you find conflicting information, what else would we do? Though I agree with you that Merriam is the likely mother of most of the children before 1800 unless one of the unknowns has a child or two.

I am curious if Celia was his last wife as named in the will, did she stay in the area? There is a Celia Barfield Rodgers, daughter of Barrett, brother of Celia Barfield Ford. She could be confused, with her aunt, but she is a good bit younger.

Still needing clarity.

TY Questions, confusions stated much more eloquently and succinctly than i. Anyone with any clues? Happy to search in more rabbit holes!! Lol. I would just love some clarity, even if i find my
direct ancestor is NOT Miŕriem. Of what i DO KNOW - robyn to sallie mae to devon to hardy to nelson to george. This is my home, my heritage, a part of my story. This is FACT. the rest - any "rabbit hole is welcome so they can be proven or disregared.

NO "Mary Ann Ford" in my family tree. The only FORD i have in my tree is "Robert Husley Ford b. 23 Feb 1988".

James D. Dickenson

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