N.N., The Huntsman of Dunlop {Legendary} - Unable to add photo depiction

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Hi PTID:6000000181938098862:6000000043153991501
I am not fully up on copywrite laws but Geni is a commercial enterprise so I don't believe that it can be considered to fit the criteria of educational or recreational under most countries copywrite laws.

Geni management has asked volunteer curators to remove any images from profiles that we know breach copywrite laws (some of our curators have far more knowledge of copywrite than I personally do).

PTID:6000000181938098864:6000000179039749843 was born c1100 (well outside my personal knowledge and genealogy speciality areas) so it is probably more appropriate that it does not have a photo on the profile view.

What photos are you wanting to add to the profile? Is it primary documentation not already outlined in https://www.geni.com/discussions/244331 ?

Sorry I spelled copyright incorrectly

I had a look at some of the images and I think this might be some of the issues you are having with profiles

This photo https://www.geni.com/images/missing_image.png which was on PTID:6000000181938647824:6000000179038885880 profile is actually a photo of Angus Macfadyen, a scottish actor
The photo has no attributions given to the owner of the copywrite of the photo and also is not a photo of the profile

This photo https://www.geni.com/images/missing_image.png which was on PTID:6000000181938647826:6000000113492783028 is actually a photo of Engin Altan Duzyatan, a turkish actor.
The photo has no attributions given to the owner of the copywrite of the photo and also is not a photo of the profile

This photo https://www.geni.com/images/missing_image.png whish was on PTID:6000000181938647828:6000000179039947821 is actually another photo of Angus Macfayden
The photo has no attributions given to the owner of the copywrite of the photo and is also not a photo of the profile.

https://www.geni.com/images/missing_image.png which was on both PTID:6000000181938770827:6000000113492907847 and Captain Nathaniel Reid is a photo of Ryan O'Neal, an American Actor
The photo has not attributions given to the owner of the copywrite of the photo and is also not a photo of either of these profiles.

https://www.geni.com/images/missing_image.png which was on PTID:6000000181938770827:6000000113492907847 is another photo of Ryan O,Neal.
The photo has not attributions given to the owner of the copywrite of the photo and is also not a photo of this profile.

Melissa, as previously explained by a few curators, "fair use" only applies to non-commercial websites.

In general, for people for whom you don't have actual photos, try looking for things like royalty-free photos of the places they lived, or maps of those locations. Try going to Openverse, click the "Use commercially" box, and then search for something (which you must then attribute; they have handy autogenerated text that you can copy and paste). When you find something you think would work, you can link to it in this thread and a curator can add it for you.

To give an example of what I mean, I have added one such photo for PTID:6000000181939174891:6000000113492907847 -- a nice view of Lake Wauregan and Mount Bushnell, two sights he would've seen on a daily basis while living in New Preston. Note that everything is attributed on the image page. See if something like that works for you. And you could tag anyone else who lived in New Preston to that same image, so no need to keep re-uploading it.

For a legendary figure like PTID:6000000181939174893:6000000179039749843, a common approach is to use text from an out-of-copyright (public domain) book. Is there any passage in this book that we could screenshot and add? Or, is there another really old book that has an illustration depicting him?

Since your dispute at this point is really with Geni's legal team, and since there's no more explaining any of us can do, I would suggest you file a help ticket at help.geni.com. Include a link to this thread and ask that they address your concerns. Best of luck.

PTID:6000000181938098862:6000000043153991501
Sorry I am a little lost. - Are we talking about images to this profile (born c1100) or adding images to the profiles of your parents parents?

If it is historical profiles, whilst we would all love to have photos on every profile, the images need to be very relevant to the profile, a person born on the 1100's would most likely have thousands of descendants

Is this the photo of Hannah Cogswell that you want to use for her - https://www.geni.com/images/missing_image.png
This is actually a painting of a woman in the Nederlands with a different head photoshopped onto it - https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/7c/Auguste_Cabuzel...
So it is definitely not a family photo of Hannah Cogswell

I was thinking, reading this discussion, that it would be useful to have a pinned post in public discussions about appropriate images and how to find one.

This comes up quite a bit. Common issues are the images for children who died young and the inappropriate use of flags on profiles, e.g., flags that did not exist when the person lived.

But more important are the two issues - not violating copyright and having an image that is as specifically representative of the person as possible. I often use out-of-copyright old images of estates or town centers or maps that are geographically or specifically tied to the person.

In my view, it is never acceptable to use the image of someone ELSE, who is not the profile person. If there is no image of that person, then do not use an image of some other person. Period. I guess the exception is if there is an out-of-copyright image that depicts historically correct, obviously generic people from the same era such as a few people use for Great Migration ancestors.

I am no expert in Coats of Arms but using them is fraught with problems. Do you have the right one? Do you have permission to use it? Was the person who you are using it for actually entitled to use it? Those are questions people have mentioned to me in the past. I usually stay far away from using Coats of Arms.

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