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Henry Isbell, Sr. - Conflicting Y DNA

Started by Erica Howton on Tuesday, January 25, 2022

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Erica Howton

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Hatte Blejer

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James Earl Crownover

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Henry Isbell, Sr.

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William Tompkins Isbell

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Major James B. Isbell

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Frances Thompkins Isbell

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Henry Pendleton Isbell, Jr.

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Erica Howton C

1/25/2022 at 10:10 PM

-DNA (paternal line only)

jason isbell
6th great grandson
R-M269 from Y-67

Thomas Livingston Isbell
from Family Tree DNA

Kenneth B. Isbell
R1b1a2a1a1b from Family Tree DNA

Erica Howton C

1/26/2022 at 12:43 AM

Found it.

Major James B. Isbell Is not the son of Henry Isbell, Sr. Y DNA conflicts. This is the James Hatte peeled off Connecticut. I’m guessing he’s an original emigrant.

Private User

1/26/2022 at 6:41 AM

R1b1a2 = M269

Alternate coding for the same DNA.

Private User

1/26/2022 at 6:49 AM

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplogroup_R-M269

A lot of recent updating of nomenclature adds to the confusion.

Hatte Blejer C

1/26/2022 at 1:39 PM

Yes you need to be wary about DNA nomenclature.

First, 23andme gets different results for father and son sometimes because their Y-DNA is cursory. FamilyTree DNA is preferred.

Second, ISOGG has changed the nomenclature in the past couple of years.

James Earl Crownover PRO

1/28/2022 at 10:12 AM

I sincerely hope that the GEDCOM I uploaded did not add to the problems with this family. Hanna Ritter Isbell married William Milton Crownover and they are my 3rd great grandparents. I don't have the profile in front of me, but I'm pretty sure her father was John Isbell.

Erica Howton C

1/28/2022 at 10:49 AM

Hanna Ritter Crownover - looks OK to me.

Hatte Blejer C

1/28/2022 at 2:54 PM

We do have an issue upstream of Hanna Ritter Crownover I ran an ancestor report on her and found that
William Tompkins Isbell has both Major James B. Isbell and Major James B. Isbell as father.

So that needs to be fixed.

Hatte Blejer C

1/28/2022 at 3:02 PM

Erica Howton - I'm going to leave this to you since you were just working on this family two days ago. Can you make sure to lock relationships and MP

William Tompkins Isbell
Major James B. Isbell
Major James B. Isbell

I thought they had been straightened out a week ago.

James Earl Crownover PRO

1/29/2022 at 9:37 AM

I would appreciate any help or guidance to either merge Major James Isbell with James Benjamin Isbell or remove one of those for William Tompkins Isbells father. I reviewed the profiles yesterday, and do not know how or do not have permission to resolve this problem..

Erica Howton C

1/29/2022 at 12:26 PM

Done.

Source:

Origins

Notable Southern Families by Zella Armstrong, vol. 1 (1918), p.110:

James Isbell and Frances Tompkins Livingston "had six sons and four daughters," listed as: "(1) John Isbell, born September 27, 1748. [some think he was John Orrell Livingston, b.c1748, d. Nov. 1824 Caldwell Co, NC.] (2) Milly Isbell, born April 2, 1750. (3) Livingston Isbell, born November 17, 1751. (4) Francis Isbell, born February 12, 1755. (5) Thomas Isbell." (cont. p.111: born June 27, 1753) "(6) Edith Isbell, born November 17, 1756. (7) Mary Isbell, born August 21, 1758. (8) James Isbell, Second, born April 3, 1760. (9) Elizabeth Isbell, born October 19, 1762. (10) William Tompkins Isbell, born September 19, 1765."

Erica Howton C

1/29/2022 at 1:17 PM

James Benjamin Isbell = Major James B. Isbell. Merged.

Hatte Blejer C

1/29/2022 at 1:36 PM

Great. Thank you. There are / were two different James Isbells as I remember. But since the second one here did not have parents or a spouse, it's fine.

Erica Howton C

1/29/2022 at 2:32 PM

These profiles are not listed by Zella Armstrong as children of Major James B. Isbell & Frances Thompkins Isbell & have been disconnected:

1/29/2022 at 2:44 PM

Capt. Pendleton Isbell, I

They belong to the Henry Pendleton Isbell, Jr. tree and have been merged in.

James Earl Crownover PRO

1/31/2022 at 11:52 AM