Helen Fitzroland De Galloway (De Lacy) - De Lacy, or Galloway?

Started by Private User on Wednesday, January 26, 2022
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Alan of Galloway and his first Lacy wife had a daughter Ellen:

ELLEN of Galloway ([before 1205]-after 21 Nov 1245, bur Brackley). The Annales Londonienses name "Eleyn countesse de Wynton" as eldest of the three daughters of "la primere fille Davi" and "Aleyn de Gavei", naming "Margarete countesse de Ferreres et Eleyne la Zusche et la countesse de Bougham" as her three daughters [1202]. It is assumed that she was not born from Alan’s marriage to Margaret of Huntingdon as her descendants did not raise a claim to the Scottish throne in 1291. This is consistent with the date of marriage of one of her daughters being estimated to [1238]. The identity of Ellen’s mother as her father’s first wife is confirmed by her husband Roger de Quincy holding Kippax (linked to Alan’s first wife as shown above)[1203]. Ellen’s birth and marriage dates are estimated from her daughter who married in [1238] having given birth soon after that marriage. The Liber Pluscardensis records that the eldest daughter of "Alanus de Galway filius Rotholandi de Galway" married "Rogerus de Quinci comes Wintoniæ"[1204]. "Elena quondam filia Alani de Galeweya" donated "villam de Edeluestune" to the church of Glasgow by undated charter[1205]. "Rogerus de Quency constabularius Scocie et Elena uxor eius filia quondam Alani de Galweya" recognised the rights of the church of Glasgow to "villam de Edeluestune" by undated charter[1206]. m ([before 1223]) as his first wife, ROGER de Quincy Earl of Winchester, son of SAHER de Quincy Earl of Winchester & Margaret of Leicester (-25 Apr 1264, maybe bur Brackley). He is named son-in-law of Alan of Galloway by Matthew Paris, who does not name his wife[1207] but says in a later passage that she was "primogenita soror"[1208]. He succeeded his father-in-law in 1234 as hereditary Constable of Scotland, de iure uxoris.

Tagging Sharon Douobell: Sharon Doubell

You'll need to remind me to come back here over the weekend, Maven.

Maven, I'm probably missing something here - but this seems to me to be a completely different profile to the Ellen you describe above. What is making you think they're the same person?

Oh, you're saying this profile is not the child of Roger de Lacy, Lord Pontefract, Baron of Halton and Matilda de Clere at all. I get it.

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