Jakob Elias Aschkenasi - Can't really find any sources on this Aschkenasi/Deutsch family, where does information on them come from?

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Geni says Jakob Elias Aschkenasi is my 20th great grandfather, so I am seeking information on him and his family/descendants but can't find anything, also does anyone know why so many descendants of Jakob have unusual and more Christian sounding names, could these be fictional entries?

I am also a descendant of Jakob Elias Aschkenasi and trying to determine more information. There are no sources I can find which really reference the very very significant members of this tree, but I'm looking for anything I can find. It's pretty wild for any jewish family tree to be recorded this deeply for folks who are not extremely significant.

Most the deutsh family tree including most of Jakob Elias Aschkenasi descendants are made up with no real source at all.

The question is who made them up, is it someone on geni or a outside person.

Randy Schoenberg
This might be something for you.

It would be (is?) sad to learn. For me, it is designated as the 18th great grandfather and I was bragging about him left and right.

The name of the one who has invented these fake profiles looks like "Balázs Déri"

Did you ask him?

So how much of this is fact and how much fiction?
This all leads in theory to my paternal segment in Obuda.

We see an 1850 census which tells us the age of various members and perhaps adopted members of an Elias family.

For my great great grandfather I inherited a Stammbuch which was a vertical listing and nothing at all regarding Siblings . His mother was indeed a Deutsch named babette/Berta/Julia depending where one looks.

So I have via the1850 census names and ages but nothing else so how can we believe what we see here where
women are excluded

Conratulations

two of you are my 13th cousins....

Wonderful therapy and perhaps creative....

If you going to Accuse "Balázs Déri" of making up attached names - it is up to You to prove it.
Just because there are No sources & you never heard of the names - does Not mean "Balázs Déri" made them up.

Peter Rohel (c) it does appear that this tree is mostly fiction, and an attempt to tie together various Ashkenazi families. Have you ever found a source for any of the names prior to 1700?

Balázs Déri usually works from books or other trees, but if we cannot find any sources for these historical profiles, me probably should sever them and rebuild when sources are found.

See the descendant chart at
https://www.geni.com/list/descendants/6000000199459906873#10

Randy Schoenbergm perhaps Balázs Déri will reply and give us some insight on a) where is he getting these names b) do they belong in this / these tree branches.

I agree - only Known names should be Added to this branch - NOT "fiction, and an attempt" to tie together various Ashkenazi families together".

I asked B. Déri concretely, a while ago. My ancestor Maria Deutsch was a daughter of Ensel Deutsch. The information about Ensel Deutsch's parents (and all the line of ancestry) was added by Déri Balázs and I asked for information about that connection. He replied that he guessed and cannot prove it. Regarding the older names he refers to personal inspiration and some obscure theories.

I just joined this discussion, but it is not the first time I find Herr Doktor Balázs Déri behaving as an elephant in a porcelain shop.
My connection to the subject is, except for my Mother, along a vertical of 19 males starting with Hirsch Deutsch, my second great-grandfather, so I am naturally very interested in accuracy.

Can you help, Randy Schoenberg ?

99% of the deutsch tree added by Balázs Déri is entirely fiction with zero sources for any of it. Should be severed from all other profiles and deleted.

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