Sisnando ben David Davidiz Davidiz, Vizier of Castile, Emir of Toledo, Comtes de Quimbra - Evidence for parentage?

Started by Tamás Flinn Caldwell-Gilbert on Wednesday, April 6, 2022
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Hello,

Does anyone have any evidence for the parentage currently attached to Sisnando Davidiz, Vizier of Castile, Emir of Toledo, Comtes de Quimbra Abu Suleiman David ibn Yaʿīs̲h̲ ben Yehuda Ibn Ya Ish ben Zakai II, Nasi, Qāḍī, haDayyan of Toledo and Shoshana I am not finding anything about his parentage, let alone evidence beyond the Jewish-sounding name "David" that he was of Jewish origin.

If anyone has any evidence for these connections please come forward, otherwise, I will be disconnecting the relationship.

Sincerely,
Tamas Caldwell-Gilbert

It looks there has been a lot of information written on both profiles with information sources . I think contacting the Person who took the time to write out all the information and asking them if they have what you are looking for before disconnecting the parents might help.

Sincerely,

Marcella

Marcella Nichole Hoff, the individual who added the information for this profile is Jaim Harlow, but he is no longer active on Geni. I have gone ahead and disconnected as even the information added to the profile does not support these connections.

hola Tamas, I just resolved duplication conflicts by deleting some bulk new duplication of very new user, few generations below.

But arrived at this blocked knot, I see that here it is a bit more complex
(?maybe due to the alleged parents of Unisco Sisnandes ?)

I left visual signs of duplication around the duplicate node of
Sisnando Davidiz, Vizier of Castile, Emir of Toledo, Comtes de Quimbra

(C) Erica Howton you who know my signals.. te gusta portuguese-spanish? >.<

Boa tarde a todos,

O Conde de Coimbra Sisnando Davidez, e´ filho de David II Ben Hezekiah 26th (28th) EXILARCH, tem diversas documentações, livros e teses falando deles.
Estou enviando link do porta Sefarad.es da Espanha, com a biografia de David Ben Salomão IBN YAHYA.
Essa familia tem uma ligação com a família Abravanel, uma importante familia no Brasil, cujo o patriarca deles hoje chama-se Senor Abravanel, mais conhecido como "SILVIO SANTOS" o apresentador e dono do canal de televisão chamado SBT

https://www.sfarad.es/david-ben-solomon-ibn-yahya/

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Good afternoon everybody,

The Count of Coimbra Sisnando Davidez, is the son of David II Ben Hezekiah 26th (28th) EXILARCH, has several documents, books and theses talking about them.
I am sending a link to the Sefarad.es portal in Spain, with the biography of David Ben Salomão IBN YAHYA.
This family has a connection with the Abravanel family, an important family in Brazil, whose patriarch is now called Senor Abravanel, better known as "SILVIO SANTOS" the presenter and owner of the television channel called SBT

https://www.sfarad.es/david-ben-solomon-ibn-yahya/

(nice, the duplications marked & reported for deletion, and to stop duplicating have been merged, and so on :)
*https://www.geni.com/merge/view?revision_id=82069042240
*https://www.geni.com/merge/view?revision_id=82681104970
*https://www.geni.com/merge/view?revision_id=82069035590

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anyway @Claudio found:

"..Abu Baker, hermano del emir de Toledo y Cordoba, Yehuda Moshe Ben Zakai (nasi de Tulaytula -Toledo- y Kurtuba -Cordoba.)
Este tambien fue conocido como Sisnando David, y participo con el rey Fernando I en la conquista de Coimbra, por que sera ennoblecido como conde de Coimbra. ..."
*https://www.sfarad.es/david-ben-solomon-ibn-yahya/

Olá,

Por gentileza poderiam incluir Sisnando Davidez como filho David II Ben Hezekiah 26th (28th), pois não sou o administrador e não tenho acesso.
Esse e´o link que eu criei, e peço para que façam a união, por gentileza para evitar a duplicação de perfil,

Link do perfil criado: Sesnando Davides ou Sisnando Davidiz (ou Davídez) Davides

Desde já agradeço pela compreensão
Estou á disposição.

Atenciosamente Claudio Ferro de Oliveira

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Hello,

Please could you include Sisnando Davidez as son David II Ben Hezekiah 26th (28th), as I am not the administrator and do not have access.
This is the link I created, and I ask you to merge it, please, to avoid profile duplication:

Profile link created: Sesnando Davides ou Sisnando Davidiz (ou Davídez) Davides

Thank you in advance for your understanding
I am available.

Sincerely, Claudio Ferro de Oliveira

Private User, In order to represent the connection on Geni, we need primary sources that tell us that Sisnando Davidiz, Vizier of Castile, Emir of Toledo, Comtes de Quimbra is the son of an Exilarch.

While the biography is an interesting read, it does not provide any sources or evidence to back up its claims. What is the documentary evidence that proves the connection that you would like shown on Geni?

Hello,

This story also appears in the Jewish Encyclopedia:
Singer, Isidore; et al., eds. (1901–1906). "David ben Zakkai". The Jewish Encyclopedia. New York: Funk & Wagnalls.
There you have the complete history, including the genealogy. Since the dispute with Mar Kohen-Zedek (in office 917–936) and Saadia Gaon (926-928) over the Sura academy and Pumbedita academy

"DAVID BEN ZAKKAI : Exilarcli ; known in Jewish history especially for his controversy with Saadia; died in 940. He was a relative of the prince of the Exile, ‘Ukba, who had been deposed from office and banished, and was his successor in the exilarcliate. The office was at this time confronted by a dangerous adversary in the person of the passionate and ambitious gaon Mar Kohen-Zedek (in office 917-936), who attempted to make the Academy of Pumbedita the only center of the Babylonian Jews, thereby threatening the existence of the sister academy at Sura. He, as well as the Academy of Pumbedita, refused to recognize David as exilarcli, whereupon the latter, who was equally resolute and ambitious, deposed Kolien-Zedek and appointed another gaon. This dispute lasted for two years, until Nissim Naharwani, highly respected for his piety, intervened and reconciled the adversaries, peace being concluded at Sarsar (half a day’s journey south of Bagdad). Kohen-Zedek and liis college accompanied the exilarcli as far as Bagdad (in the fall of 921) ; David ben Zakkai, in turn, recognizing the former as gaon of Pumbedita. But the reputation of the Academy of Sura continued to dwindle. A weaver filled the office of gaon for two years (926-928), and the ancient and famous academy was on the point of being dissolved, when Saadia, called from Egypt by the exilarcli, was appointed gaon. This was against the advice of Naharwani, who favored Zemah ibn Shahin (“Medieval Jew. Chron.” ii. 80); but the wisdom of the choice was shown when Saadia made the fame of Sura surpass even that of Pumbedita.

The friendly relations between David b. Zakkai and Saadia were soon disturbed. David shrank from nothing which might strengthen his position, and misused his influence in order to extort large contributions from the community. A case of inheritance which David had decided illegally for reasons of self-interest, led to a rupture between the two. The exilarcli asked the two geotiim to sign the document in question. Kohen-Zedek dared not refuse, but Saadia did. David deposed Saadia from office and banished him, appointing in his place the insignificant Joseph b. Jacob b. Satia. Saadia, however, took up the gauntlet; he, in turn, deposed David, and, together with his followers, appointed David’s brother, Josiali Hasan, as exilarcli.

The Babylonian Jews were now divided into two parties, each of which appealed to the calif AlMuktadir. His successor, Al-Kaliir, finally decided j

the case. The opposing exilarcli was banished to Khorasan, where later on he died; and Saadia was deprived of his gaonate (beginning of 983). Saadia went to Bagdad, devoting the four years of his involuntary leisure to research. He was reinstated in consequence of a law case in which one of the parties concerned chose the exilarcli as judge, while the other chose Saadia, whereupon David had the man maltreated who appealed to his adversary. This caused general excitement, and restoration of peace between the two became imperative. A reconciliation took place on Feb. 27, 937. The opposing gaon was removed from office, and Saadia forgot his injuries. After the exilarch’s death Saadia even voted for his son Judali as his successor. David took part in the controversy with Ben MeIR in regard to the fixing of the calendar ; and he was one of those who excommunicated the agitator (see “ Rev. Et. Juives,” xl. 261, xlii. 1S2)."

https://archive.org/details/TheJewishEncyclopediaFunkWagnallVolIVCh...

Here is the entry in the encyclopedia. I do not see where Sisnando Davidiz, the Vizier of Castile. Is there a genealogical table in another part of the encyclopedia?

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