Welsh Genealogy Database Now Available

Started by Private User on Thursday, April 21, 2022
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We have the Bartrum Welsh Genealogy project up and running, at https://www.geni.com/projects/Bartrum-Genealogical-Project/4476525

This consists of the manuscript pages of Dr. Peter Bartrum's two collection (in about 26 volumes) of the Welsh Genealogies.

We have this because his published works, though still the gold standard in Welsh genealogy, are out of print and very hard to find. The University of Aberystwyth holds his manuscripts -- Bartrum was able to annotate them, and make corrections, though he was not able to publish the new editions before his death. So, oddly enough, it's the manuscript version that is most correct.

The charts can be difficult to use -- Bartrum used abbreviations for the Welsh names; those can be found in the Introduction to the volumes.

But here is how it works:

If you want to see the chart for Sir Dafydd Gam ap Llewelyn for instance (this would be Davy Gam, mentioned in Shakespeare's Henry V), he's from the Bleddyn ap Maenyrch tribe, and shows up on https://www.geni.com/documents/view?doc_id=6000000173377928205 -- that would be Bleddyn ap Maenyrch 18 -- see him in the chart, over on the right, "Sir Dafydd Gam" -- the son of Llewelyn ap Hywel Fychan and Maud ferch Ieuan. There's a number below him, "p. 20." So, that is https://www.geni.com/documents/view?doc_id=6000000173384084839 -- Bleddyn ap Maenyrch 20 -- and there he is, in the center of the page, and he's married to Gwenllian ferch Gwilym, and their children are Morgan, Gwladys, Margred, Thomas, and an unknown daughter. If you wanted to follow the charts for any of their spouses, look under Morgan, for instance, and his wife Tangwystl is the daughter of Maredudd Bwl, and she can be found in the Rhydderch Ddu tribe, page 2. You have to be able to read the abbreviations to understand those entries -- but, again, that information is in the Introduction.

Thank you for explaining these important genealogical sources and making them easier to use.

https://www.geni.com/path/Cynthia-Curtis-A183502-US7875087-Tree-bui...

Following the project.
I have an ancestor who married a daughter of Shakespeare-- don't recall but I should. Sorry.
And as Erica Howton mentioned, important genealogical sources CAN be difficult to use so every little HELP counts.

Thank you, Private User

By the way, Anne! Every time I see your name/profile, I am reminded that you and my nephew Private are a DNA match.

Freddie's 11th cousin once removed 3rd Cousin Once Removed to 4th Cousin
Overlap: 14.5 cM
Longest segment: 14.5 cM

Presently he has 453 autosomal matches here on Geni from FtDNA and I hope to one day get them all figured out...

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