Nathaniel Brewer, Sr. - WHO is Thomas?

Sorry about the confusion with the two different Thomas Brewers I have disclosed in the About of Nathaniel Brewer dc1804. Nathaniel lived such a long life that I thought the experiences and details of Thomas Sr. and Thomas Jr. should be explained in the About in order to put some detail into the life of Nathaniel. That was about 3 years ago and I corresponded with you a little about this back then. You said you descend from the son of George b1670 named Howell who is head of Group F on the FT YDNA Brewer Project with dominant subclade I-Y23708. My Brewer descendant tester, 1st cousin Bill Brewer, has been active with the Brewer research and testing out to the FTBIGY700 placing him in Group E with ancestor Briant Brewer b1799 NC whose father was Thomas Brewer Jr. b1765 who married Lucretia McHugh. Bill sent me a download 100 pp paper 2 years ago on research maybe from David Brewer. The author tries to sort through all the various Thomas Brewers from the late 1700s and his work is very indefinite. So I have ignored it for the time being after reading about 30 pages. One line of Thomas's which he has uncovered is interesting to me. It is not 2 consecutive Thomas's but 5 Thomas's descending from John Brewer II, the grandfather of George Brewer of Brunswick, VA. They are 1. Thomas 1639-1698 VIrginia, 2. Thomas of Virginia 1680-1729, 3. Thomas of Virginia 1704-48 m. Elizabeth Godfry, 4. Thomas born Isle of Wight County, VA 1728 lived Halifax County, east NC died NC 1802, 5. Thomas born Halifax, NC 1765 died 1835 Indiana. A co-admin for the Brewer Project named David Brewer, a couple months posted on the Activity feed an analysis of Group D headed by William Brewer born early in the 1700s. He and the admin, Hank Graham, do not think this William descends from George. Now he says that he will shortly post his research and conclusions about Group E which I say is the consecutive Thomas line and includes my ancestor, Briant Brewer b1799 NC. So apart from reading more in the previous email download about Thomas of Halifax, NC, I am waiting for David, our co-admin. to post his I-Y21524 Thomas line conclusions for all of us to consider. I would go ahead and disconnect my posted Thomas Sr if it wasn't for waiting for better conclusions from the Brewer Project. Also since I am the admin for the FT Singleton Project with 125 members, I have had quite a bit of experience with blending genealogy with the Ydna SNP pathways down to the subclades. Plus for years I have been counting the STR differences between two related lines to come up with the centuries since their TMRCA. Singletons vary between 4 centuries to 8 centuries and then all the way out to 3000-4000 years showing 30 STR differences to 38 in the big separated groups of thousands of years. The Brewer Groups are remarkably close together in what they call the "Lanier Brewer Groups A,B, C, D, E, F, G, H." I count only 1 difference between Lanier group G and Thomas Group E and 2 differences between Group E and groups A, D, F, and H. F is your Howell. Admins seem to argue that only one STR difference can separate 2 lines by several generations, meaning the 5 Thomas Brewer line from John II is the correct one for my Brewer line. But what about the other Groups which have 2 differences in their STR's to each other group? That is the problem and the admins are struggling with it. So I hope to have this reasonably resolved shortly. As for myself and my Group E, the Thomas line, whether it ends up coming from John II or George is immaterial to me. I will take care of it on Geni when we can settle on this better in the Brewer Project. Thanks for noticing this problem. The Brewers have been full of controversy regarding their family lines since at least the Internet and email came into existence.

More about the FT Singleton Project results: about two years ago most everybody in the group thought that they came from one village in Lancashire, England about 1141, but they did not know how their father to father lineage went back that far to that village. Now we have proven that there are actually 4 different lines from 4 different places in England that the families can call home. Now 16 members know their all male ancestry all the way back on average to 1100ad with only a couple lacking a couple generations to complete their line. 8 more members are just a few more dna results away from proving their line back to 1575. We are all very pleased with the results.

I may say that genealogy work was necessary for everyone of them to fill in the generations with names, locations, dates, etc. However, the ydna SNP pathways proved from the beginning that their line to the most ancient ancestor specifically named with location would be the goal of the genealogy search.

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WHO is Thomas?

George Brewer named ten children in his will, but which of his two wives were mother to each is not certain.
The birth order of his children is also not known and there is no evidence in his will that they were mentioned in order by their ages.
It is likely that the older sons George (b. by 1707), John, Howell and William (likely at least age 16 by 1736), sons Lanier and Nicholas (names associated with the Lanier Family) and daughter Sarah (married by 1741) were children of George Brewer's first wife, Sarah Lanier.
The will also mentions "all my younger children that it hath praised God to give me by her (his wife Asice) during her life..."
I suspect, although it is not certain, that the "younger children" (children of second wife Alice) are the sons Oliver, Henry and Nathaniel, each of who received land (the older sons did not receive land and were certainly already established with property). Henry, Nathaniel and Oliver each also received a gun (the older, independent sons would have already owned their own gun).

https://sites.rootsweb.com/~brouwergenealogydata/BrewerSouth/p9.htm...
Died before or on April 6, 1804. The 1790 census for NC, Chatham county shows Thomas Brewer bc1745 there with 3 sons and 2 daughters in 1790.
He then appears in the 1800 census in Rowan County, NC living right beside his son Thomas (Jr) who was married with children.
So there must be a Thomas Jr. who married Lucretia McHough in Duplin County in 1792.
I have been to Duplin Co. to research that.
Thomas Jr. did not have 5 children in 1790.
He was not married yet at that time.
Then the 1800 census seals it .
Thomas Jr. appears then in the Rowan County (Yadkin River valley) district all married and having the multiple children that we knew he had by then including Bryant Brewer b1799 in Rowan. Next to his census entry is one for Thomas Brewer Sr.bc1745 still with a few older children in his household. The two Thomas's specifically have Sr. after the 1st Thomas followed by the younger Thomas with 3 male sons under 10 plus one daughter. Bob Brewer's research talked quite a bit about this Brewer family moving from Chatham Co. (after the Thomas Jr. & Lucretia marriage) to Yadkin River Valley(moving West). Well that is Rowan Co. right where we find them in the 1800 census. Probably Thomas Sr. died not too long after that still in Rowan and then Thomas Jr. began his ventures moving still further West to Tennessee(War of 1812 period) signing up for short time duty during the war, then Wayne Co., Indiana where son Bryant married in 1820, and finally to Henry County, Indiana(next to Wayne Co.). Bryant and his wife moved on to Fountain County in western Indiana near the Wabash River and lived in Wabash Township near Covington. It was there in the cemeteries of Covington that I began my Brewer family research in the summer of 1974. Thomas Brewer Jr. born 1765 had many sons and yet he ended the consecutive Thomas'. But he did name one son Nathan. That probably was because in this family line, the name Nathaniel was connected to Thomas. You could call him Thomas, or Nathaniel, or Nathan, or Thomas Nathaniel, or even Nathaniel Thomas. They were all from the same family line.

Nathaniel was born in 1712. Nathaniel is the child of George Brewer and Sarah Lanier. Nathaniel passed away in 1804.
Nathaniel Brewer (George1 Brewer, Sr.) was born Abt. 1712 in Surry Co. VA, and died Bef. April 06, 1804 in Chatham Co., NC (Source: 1804 Chatham Co. Pleas & Quarter Court.).

Notes for Nathaniel Brewer: William Littlejohn and George Alston surviving partners of the Ralph McNair Co. recovered a judgment against Nathaniel Brewer, Sr. [Chatham Co. Pleas & Quarter, 1804] who before his death had fraudulently conveyed 126 acres on Drummond Branch in the County of Chatham, NC to his son Francis Brewer, as sworn by them. Nathaniel Brewer died intestate leaving the identified children listed here.

Children of Nathaniel Brewer are:

David3 Brewer.
Nathaniel Brewer.
Francis Brewer.
Daniel Brewer.
William Brewer.
George Brewer.
James Brewer.
Patience Brewer.She married Charles Vickers.
Lucy Brewer.She married John Mebane.
Milly Brewer.She married William Morgan.
Susannah Brewer.She married Charles Powell.
Nancy Brewer.She married Levi Powell.
per https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Brewer-727

Unfortunately they are a popular family and people are alwasy adding, changing, merging, messing with them. Especially the Lanier ones.

Just recently someone made changes at FS and I try to keep the lines that I KNOW as correct as can be and Geni is my "MAIN TREE" so when we can't or don't get it right here, I cannot stay on top of them and knowing there are many folks with proven lines, it feels like we just need to be a little more focused on adding the sources and the DNA proof and that will make cutting wrong children and rehoming same named cousins a bit easier.

My line starts with Eliza C Brewer who married Huddleston.

They go wonky with all the Nimrods and Howells.

:)

He is showing sons: Nathaniel Brewer, Jr. and Thomas Brewer IV

Mention of grandson Thomas Brewer is throwing me.

I will revisit.

In the meantime, how about a Brewer Project?
I plan to get a tattoo as soon as the line is better defined.
I would like to get it before I am too wrinkly to enjoy it :)

https://www.geni.com/projects/DNA-and-the-Brewers/4486681

Gary Allen Singleton I created the project and invited you to collaborate please.
My maternal uncle used to draw mermaids for me.
He is the ONLY one of 24 aunts/uncles I have who did DNA. He fostered my love of genealogy and the tattoo is to honor him.
I do not mean to sound silly. But one has to have a sense of humor to be able to do genealogy for 40 years and still be excited about the idea of breaking brick walls and confirming a tree using records and DNA.
In the meantime, I will see if I can clean the About up a bit and try to work on my part starting with Eliza. I have DNA matches on both sides for some lines and I think the NA may be part of it.
You have done such excellent work and I appreciate it so much.

https://media.geni.com/p13/3c/85/aa/d7/534448610030d823/55892368_23...

(it's a MERMAN on the top)