Elizabeth Ann Vick (Joyner) - Do we have any sources for both husbands????

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I am finding "Ann Joyner who married William Vick", but no mention of her name as Elizabeth Ann and wonder if she has been confused with Elizabeth Underwood.

Any information??? I am waste deep in the Vicks and can't dig here, but it doesn't look right. I don't think Ann could have children at the same time with both men.

There are some merges back in 2014 and 2012 that I can't "view," but I think may hold the key.

I am still not sure about what to do with Elizabeth Ann Vick. She can't have two husbands at the same time. Mercy!

I have been searching some more on the Underwood spouse. Something isn't right there either. Wikitree is no help on this one. I think it may be where this originated.

There are a number of merges on December 29, 2010 that indicate that Ann and Elizabeth were separate until the mergers that will not show in a "view" on March 9, 2012. Somewhere in there is the bad merge, I think.

Information on William Vick:

From ''Joseph Vick of Lower Parish, Isle of Wight County, Virginia and His Descendants, vol. I:''

pp 44-48.

William's surviving wife was ANN(E) JOYNER, the daughter of William Joyner and sister ofthe Joyner brothers who married Joseph [#5] Vick's daughterslO. The twelve year gap between the births of Pilgrim and Joshua and the fact that William's younger son Richard named only his siblings from Joshua on in his will suggests that Anne was probably William's second wife.

'''Children of William and his fIrst wife (name unknown),''' listed in his will, born in Isle ofWightiSouthampton County, Virginia:

1. MILDRED "MILLy,,4, b. ca. 1745; d. after 1784, probably in Southampton County, Virginia. She m. Major ROBERT NEW- SOM, Jr.; bond dated 29 May 1764. He was the son of Robert Newsom Sr. and his wife Elizabeth, and was named in his father's will. Robert Jr. appears several times in the county deed records selling land to John Chitty in 1782; to James Barnes in 1784; to Thomas Newsom in 1787. He died intestate before 20 April 1808, when an inventory was filed by admin-istrator Joshua Fort. Milly was not named in the estate records and did not claim a dower, suggesting that she had died by this date. Children surnamed NEWSOM; 1. William, b. ca 1765, listed as an heir in his father's estate records; 2. [?JThomas (m. Elizabeth Vick).ll

2. .LEWIS, b. ca. 1748; m. TABITHA VICK.

3. PILGRIM, b. ca. 1750; m. (1) L YDIA VICK; (2) POLL Y RE- VILL; (3) SALLY HOLT..

'''Children of William and his second wife, Ann, born in Southampton County:
'''
4. JOSHUA, b. 20 May 1762; m. REBECCA HARGRAYES.

5. RICHARD, b. ca. 1764; d. before 1 May 1789 in Southampton County, Virginia. He m. ELIZABETH JOHNSON, daughter of William Johnson of St. Luke's Parish, on 21 April 1786. They had no children. In his will Richard named his wife and siblings Joshua, Giles, Silas, Sarah and Piety. His widow married Henry
Jones on 11 October 1796.12

6. GILES, b. ca. 1766; m. [ ].

7. SILAS, b. ca. 1768; m. PEGGY CUTLER.

8. .SARAH "SALL Y", b. ca. 1770; d. before 1828 in Southampton County, Virginia. She m. NATHAN POPE; bond dated 22 December 1794. On 8 October 1795, Nathan and Sarah deeded a tract o f land to Britain Barnes. This is her only appearance in deed records. Between 1800 and 1825, Nathan appears only three times, each time to sell a parcel ofland. He made his will on 31 May 1828, naming his two sons. It was witnessed by Elisha Williams, Thomas Knight and Millsey Gray. Children surnamed POPE: I.Peter, b. ca. 1796; 2. William, b. ca. 179913

9. PIETY, b. ca. 1772; d. 22 August 1831 in Southampton County, Virginia. After the death of her father, her cousin Jesse Vick posted a £500 bond as her guardian. She m. (1) Rev. RIVERS REESE on 5 January 1793. He was described by his grandson, John Leonidas Vick as an Irishman who "owned a farm and several negroes and was a local Methodist preacher and a good man." He died in Southampton County before 21 July 1806, the date his brother-in-law Pilgrim Vick posted a guardian bond for his children Nancy and Lucy. The estate was fmally settled by Pilgrim Vick on 14 June 1810. Piety m.(2) JOSEPH REESE, a cousin of Rivers Reese. According to John Leonidas Vick, Joseph was a "wild drinking man, but kind to his step children".
According to family tradition, she and son William were murdered on 22 August 1831, when a party ofslaves, led by Nat Turner, forced entry into her home. William shot several before falling, while Piety "got out ofbed in her nightclothes only and knelt by the bedside, and in that position was shot to death by the negroes".

However, Nat Turner provided a different version of their deaths: "... We started from there to Mrs. Reese's, maintaining the most perfect silence, where, fmding the door unlocked, we entered and murdered Mrs. Reese in her bed while sleeping; her son awoke, but only to sleep the sleep ofdeath, he had only time to say 'Who is that' and he was no more."

Children, by flrst husband, surnamed REESE: 1. Nancy, b. 2 February 1796; d. 12 January 1852 (m. Arthur Vick); 2. Lucy, b. 1798; d. 20 January 1863 in Livingston County, Kentucky (m.
1. [ ] Biddle; 2. [ ] Simmons; 3. Arthur Viek). Children, by seeondhusband, also surnamed REESE: William, b. ea. 1809; d. 22 August 1831; 4. John Wesley, b. ea. 1811 .14

Notes
* ISouthampton Co. Order Book 1:110, County Clerk's Office, Courtland, V A.
* 2Southampton Co. Deed Book 1:335, County Clerk's Office, Courtland, VA. 3lbid., 2:33
* 4lbid., 2:230.
* 5Southampton Co. Order Book 2:120.
* 6Southampton Co. Deed Book 3:106,115-116; 4:229, 516.
* 7Robert Arthur, Vick a/Vicksburg [New Orleans: Typescript], 8.
* 8Southampton Co. Deed Book 6: 183-184; 5:468.
* ~illiam Vick will (1785), Southampton Co. Will Book 4:80, County Clerk's Office, Courtland, VA.
* IOUlysses P . Joyner, Joyner 0/Southampton [Verona, V A, 1975], 75
* II Southampton Co. Marriage Book 1:79; Robert Newsom Sr. will (1751), Southampton Co. Will Book 1:224; Southampton Co. Deed Book 4:218; 6:30, 722; Robert Newsom estate return (1808), Southampton Co. Will Book 7:421-423.
* 12 Southampton Co. Marriages 1750-1810 (bond dated 18 April), 110 Richard Vick will (1789), Southampton Co. Will Book 4:321.
* 13Southampton Co. Marriages 1750-1810, 99 (bond dated 22 December 1794); Southampton Co. Deed Book 8:227; 9:215; 17:89; 19:434; Nathan Pope will (1828), Southampton Co. Will Book 10:225.
* 14 Virginia Pope Livingston, "Southampton County, Virginia, Guardians' Bonds," Virginia Genealogist 26:2 [April 1982], 121; John Leonidas Vick, A Short Sketch a/the Vick Family [Privately Published, 1967],2. Rivers Reese estate returns (1810) ,Southampton Co. Will Book 6:754; Nat Turner, Confessions 0/Nat Turner. Leader 0/the Late Insurrection in Southampton. Va. 1861 [Miami, FL:Mnemosyne Publishing, Inc., 1969],7.

I have been trying to find ANYTHING on Sampson Underwood but.....on Ancestry, the bastion of trees with bizarre information, I found Sampson Underwood married to Ann Joyner and the attached "marriage record" was for Ann Joyner married to William Vick. How does that compute?

Detail
Source number: 29.000; Source type: Electronic Database; Number of Pages: 1; Submitter Code: FJA
Source information
Title
U.S. and International Marriage Records, 1560-1900
Author
Yates Publishing
Publisher
Ancestry.com Operations Inc
Publisher date
2004
Publisher location
Provo, UT, USA

U.S. and International Marriage Records, 1560-1900
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Name Ann Joyner Gender Female Spouse Name William VickS pouse Birth PlaceVASpouse Birth Year1720Marriage Year1766 Number Pages1 Household members

Take a look the multiple revisions on Dec 29, 2010: the day requested merges were “auto completed.”

It looks like William Joyner & Elinor Smalley had a daughter Elizabeth (Joyner) Underwood, and also, a daughter Ann (Joyner) Vick. Later the two were smerge, but a lot of the fix may be manual because we cannot undo before August 2014.

I don’t know if it’s correct genealogically, but it’s a start.

So nice when guesses meet the actual pedigree.

All fixed.

Reference:

Boddie’s Historical Southern Families. Volume V page 37. https://www.ancestry.com/sharing/28914787?h=c506c9

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The technical fix was easy, any PRO should be able to do, so the children stay with one right parent and are disconnected from the wrong parent.

See revisions tabs.

  • I was able to get one dup unmerged who was ELIZABETH.
  • from the profile for ANN, disconnect Sampson. The Underwood children were with him but his wife only had one child.
  • Duplicated ELIZABETH as wife, confined her as mother,
  • Merged Elizabeths.
  • Now she has parents, spouse, children, bio & attached source doc.

Wow! I will have to go back in Revisions and see exactly. Thanks so much, Erica Howton. I think what threw me was not being able to "view" some of the revisions, but it makes sense if we can't change something before August 2014. Will keep that in mind.

Again, thanks sooo much!

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