Willem Sterrenberg Mc Donald McDonald - Duplicate misplaced?

Started by Sharon Doubell on Monday, June 13, 2022
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Wilma Basson (born Greyling) says
Please kindly help us here. This is just a mess!

I see that this profile and his wife are possibly duplicated and I do not know how to correct this over the 2 generations?

The managerTheunis is not responding to various other McDonald merges which is making it soooooooooooo difficult..

Willem Sterrenberg McDonald
and compared with this one:
Willem Sterrenberg McDonald

See there wives as well?

cf Private

Theunis - can you help us here? It looks like you may have added a mother/wife as the same person - but these are your direct relatives, so you'll have the answer.

There is also an issue with a merge which was supposedly undone by Daan Botes, but I am still seeing this problem...
https://www.geni.com/merge/resolve/6000000053710528014

I am happy to look for supporting documentation for these profiles, but perhaps this merge can be undone first?

If you look at Else's profile under the Revisions tab, the following does not appear to be undone anywhere??

mrs Magdalena Petronella Mc Donald (Scheepers) was merged into Elsie Magdalena McDonald (Barnard) by Wilma Basson (born Greyling).
Jun 7 at 1:55 AM · view

The profile for Magdalena Petronella Scheepers born 15-9-1937 is correctly married to Willem Sterrenberg Mc Donald born 21-1-1927
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CS27-8QW2-1?cc=282...

However, she is linked to 2 Willem Sterrenberg Mc Donald husbands - it looks like the one profile is actually that of her son?? Or maybe I am getting confused now?

Willem Sterrenberg McDonald
Willem Sterrenberg Mc Donald
Gender: Male
Birth: estimated between 1942 and 1992
Immediate Family:
Son of Willem Sterrenberg Mc Donald (McDonald) and Magdalena Petronella Scheepers
Husband of Magdalena Petronella Scheepers
Brother of Casper Nikolaas McDonald; Louisa Maria Margaretha Kloppers (Mc Donald); Theunis Gerhardus Mc Donald; Theunis Gerhardus McDonald and Johan George Wilhelmus McDonald

AND
Willem Sterrenberg McDonald
Willem Sterrenberg Mc Donald (McDonald)
Gender: Male
Birth: January 21, 1927
Potgietersrus, Bosveld, LP, South Africa
Death: March 10, 1978 (51)
Potgietersrus, Bosveld, LP, South Africa (Unnatural)
Place of Burial: Potgietersrus, Waterberg, LP, South Africa
Immediate Family:
Son of Casper Nicolaas McDonald and Elsie Magdalena McDonald (Barnard)
Husband of Magdalena Petronella Scheepers
Father of Casper Nikolaas McDonald; Louisa Maria Margaretha Kloppers (Mc Donald); Theunis Gerhardus Mc Donald; Theunis Gerhardus McDonald; Johan George Wilhelmus McDonald; and Willem Sterrenberg Mc Donald « less
Brother of George McDonald; Jeanetta Isabella Magdalena Naumann (McDonald); Casper Nicolaas McDonald; Hester Hermina Johanna Voigt (McDonald) and Elsie Magdalena Coetzer McDonald

Linked to this family is a merge which has been requested and not completed...

Theunis please would you do so?
Or perhaps Sharon can do this for us?

In Geni we now have these as siblings

Casper Nikolaas McDonald; Louisa Maria Margaretha Kloppers (Mc Donald); Theunis Gerhardus Mc Donald; Theunis Gerhardus McDonald; Johan George Wilhelmus McDonald; and Willem Sterrenberg Mc Donald

Theunis' profile is duplicated awaiting merging
Baptism records have been found for Casper, Theunis and Louisa BUT NOT for Johan George Wilhelmus or Willem Sterrenberg Jnr
I cannot find a record of either of these men in Gendatabase or the 1984 Voters Roll... did they die young? or did they leave the country before being issued with ID numbers in the 1970's OR are they profiles added in error?

* I suspect that Willem Sterrenberg Jnr may be the son of Theunis, and not his brother. But it would be best if Theunis himself could confirm these details.

I hope I have not complicated things or confused anyone by changing Magdalena Petronella Scheepers' second husband's profile, and changing her surname to Meyer.

I'm just waiting for Theunis

Thanks dear Sharon and Pat. have also send messages to Theunis, no response yet.

Oh great - thanks for fixing this wrong merge dear Sharon! Appreciate!

Elsie Magdalena McDonald

Elsie Magdalena Barnard McDonald (c1897 -15 Mar 1954 Pretoria, Thabazimbi)
d/o Jacobus Christiaan Barnard & Jeanetta Isabella Magdalena Van Zyl
x Casper Nicolaas McDonald

  • George *Jacobus *Jeanette *Casper *Willem *Hester *Elsie

As far as I can piece together from documents

Willem Sterrenberg McDonald

Willem Sterrenberg McDonald
s/o Casper Nicolaas McDonald & Elsie Magdalena Barnard
x Magdalena Petronella Scheepers Meyer

  • 22.4.1956 Casper Nikolaas
  • 11.1.1958 Louisa Margaretha
  • 9 Jul 1959 Theunis Gerhardus McDonald

Theunis - let me know if this is okay with you.

Wilma and Patricia, this is as far as I'm prepared to go without Theunis' permission. This is his personal immediate family and it looks like a mis-merge not initiated by him was one of the problems here.
I've undone that and stabilised from documentation you found (thank you) where I can,
but now let him sort out Willem Sterrenberg McDonald's position in his own time - as much as it may be incorrect on the world tree, it is more incorrect to work in his immediate family without his permission.

I'm undoing this merge https://www.geni.com/merge/view?revision_id=82024484180 because, although the person is the same - this is where the misplaced Willem Sterrenberg comes from.

Theunis can let me know if he wants help fixing it.

Thank you so very much. Highly appreciated dear Sharon.

Discussion moves now to a decision on the correct name to use for Willem's profile... his second name is recorded variously as Sternberg, Sterrenberg and Steynberg. His surname as Mc Donald and McDonald

As per Gendatabase, he is recorded as
"WILLEM STERNBERG MC DONALD"
In order words, he is officially recorded in the Dept of Home Affairs databases with these names/spellings, so my feeling is that unless anyone has a different view, we should change the profile name to match the one by which he was officially recognised.

Thnx for your help , dear Pat ! You are a star! Reseacrh ongoing!

Your opinion on this now Sharon?

Baptism https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QS7-L9Z5-PDWP?i=44&cc=...
Baptised as Willem Steynberg McDonald

www.geni.com/media/proxy?media_id=6000000215787130824&size=large

Willem Steynberg McDonald - 21 January 1927 Casper McDonald; Elsie Magdalena Barnard

Maybe this Steynberg - is just a recording mistake though!?
I believe it should be Sternberg ( also sometimes recorded as Sterrenberg) - Thnx Wilma Basson

Also known as:
Personal Information Names : WILLEM STERNBERG Surname : MC DONALD Maiden Name : Date of Birth : 0027-01-21
https://www.gendatabase.com/family-finder-record.php?q=17148320&r=W...

Personal Information Full Names : WILLEM STERNBERG Surname : MC DONALD Maiden Name : Date of Birth : 0027-01-21 Identity Number : 2701215040081 Death Information Date of Death : 1978-03-00
https://www.gendatabase.com/deceased-record.php?q=17148320&r=WILLEM...

Marriage of Willem to Magdalena Petronella Scheepers in 1957 - his date of birth is given as 21-1-1927... witnessed by possibly his father, CN McDonald
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CS27-8QW2-1?cc=282...
Willem Sterrenberg McDonald
Male
28 years
1927
Magdalena Petronella Scheepers
Female
18 years
1937
Marriage
2 July 1955
Naboomspruit, Potgietersrus, Transvaal, Suid-Afrika

Theunis can you kindly respond here plz?

Theunis is no longer active.

I would go with the baptism document, unless you can find enough documents from later in his life to suggest that it was a clerical error.
You need to find the actual documents though, Wilma.

Here is his marriage certif : It is done here as Sterrenberg ?
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CS27-8QW2-1?cc=282...

It looks to me - if the profile for Magdalena Petronella Scheepers born 15-9-1937 is correctly married to Willem Sterrenberg Mc Donald born 21-1-1927. What do you think?

With verbal tradition handed over to us - I have never found a Steynberg in the McDonald line - that is the family of my husband. I still think that Steynberg could have been a recording mistake? Your valued opinions plz?

I found this message from Theunis on the about a while ago: Can you kindly help us re-check this Theunis? Thnx WB

'Wilma, agreed... he cannot be married to his mother!
I have not yet found a record of Magdalena having a son of this name, but she does have at least one grandson called Willem Sterrenberg McD, so perhaps this is where the profile fits (as the son of TG McD)

I also found this:

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QS7-89Z5-RNC3?i=47&cc=...

I see this as Willem Sterrenberg being the father of Theunis?

What is going on here?

Do we have maybe 2 Willems's on GEni ( IEEEWH that would be a big smachup on the general MCDonald line!!!) - or am I right, that Willem is actually Willem Sterrnberg McDonald and that his baptism -as Willem "Steynberg" McDonald - was just a recording mistake in the Stenberg? 

Your valued opinions plz? Thanks!

I"ll try to contact Jeanette McDonald by Whatsspp . Or can you kindly add het to this discussion, dear Sharon? I can't remember now how to do that plz. Thnx!.

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