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Christina Bagge af Söderby was supposedly married to two of my greatgrandfathers in the same lineage so she is attached to three husbands as of now. But as far as I know she was only married to Henrik Henriksson Sass and Anders Lilliehöök af Gälared och Kolbäck, (dead 1714) NOT Patrick Williamson Ogilwie. And she is not mentioned in sources as Patrick’s wife either. At least such is not mentioned in the swedish peerage. I believe there has been somekind of mistake because it feels like something is really off. Henrik Henriksson Sass and Patrick Williamson Ogilwie are both my greatgrandfathers and supposedly both her husbands on geni... Can someone check this out so I’m not just rambling and detach Patrich Williamson Ogilwie from being her husband if it’s found I am right..
This is her profile:
Elisabeth Christina Bagge af Söderby

Hi Maria, the more profiles you tag the more managers get advised and perhaps one of them will engage.

Elisabeth Christina Bagge af Söderby is currently connected to 4 husbands: Patrik Sass Patrick Ogilvie of Selkis and Voltis Henrik Henriksson von Sass Anders Lilliehöök

Thanks for replying Alex. Yes, I understand that, but thought it'd be obvious who I was talking about since they are now linked in her profile. Elisabeth Christjna Bagge af Söderby is NOT a wife of Patrick Williamson Ogilvie, like I wrote so I asked someone to hopefully detach him from being her husband after checking. I don't know who has attached her to him, because as far as my memory serves, she wasn't linked to him before. Thanks in advance!

It is obvious who you are talking about, but tagging only Elisabeth means that only people Following her profile will see the discussion. Tagging all four men means that people Following their profiles will also be notified, more chances that an active manager will see it.

Private User I think we will need your assistance please when you can.

The text in Patrick Ogilvie of Selkis and Voltis profile is detailed and well written, which does not make it accurate but is better than a blank profile. It lists 3 wives " ...an unnamed Scotswoman, was the daughter of James Scott and Margareta Gibson. His second wife was a Swedish noblewoman, Catharina Mannersköld, as was his third wife, Helena Sass." Given that Elizabeth is not named and that there is a 60ish year age gap between them and no children connecting them I have deleted their connection to each other. I suspect the confusion stems from Patrick's links to the Sass family.

I suspect that this merge should be reversed https://www.geni.com/merge/view?revision_id=73184616600 with the caveat that the husband of Christina should be Patrick Sass rather than Patrick Ogilvie (presumably Sass is named for Ogilvie but I am not clear yet on their relationship).

I have had a look at the link in Elisabeth Christina Bagge af Söderby About to https://www.adelsvapen.com/genealogi/Bagge_af_S%C3%B6derby_nr_147 , the About is translated to Finnish but the original page is in Swedish, which translates to English more easily. It lists Gustaf's children in Table 5, one daughter married Henrik Sass but a different daughter married Patrick Sass

https://www.adelsvapen.com/genealogi/Bagge_af_S%C3%B6derby_nr_147

TAB 5

Gustaf , (son of Johan, tab 4), to Sjögerås and Köpinge. Born 1638. Student in Uppsala 1654 4 . Reformed cornet 8 1658-10-12. Cavalry Master at Östgöta Cavalry Regiment 1676 5 . Died 1682 and lies with his wife buried in By church in Värmland, where his coat of arms was erected and to which they both donated the altarpiece. Married to his stepmother's sister Elisabet Nieroth , lived widow 1715 9 , daughter of the governor Anton Johan Nieroth and Christina Bonde .

Children:

  1. Anton Johan , born 1662. Lieutenant. Died 1704. See Tab. 6
  2. Christina . Died 1730-05-18 at Köpinge. Married 1st 168 (0) with Lieutenant Colonel Henrik Henriksson Sass , in his 2nd marriage. Married 2nd with the mayor of Gothenburg Anders Lilliehöök af Gälared and Kolbäck , died 1714.
  3. Elsa Margareta , born 1665, died 1751-02-20 at Anstorp in Romeleds parish, Älvsborg county. Married to the equestrian master Henrik Lilliebielke , no. 273, in his 2nd marriage, born 1655, died 1737.
  4. Elisabet . Married to his sister's stepson Captain Patrik Sass , born 1659, died 1700.
  5. Brita Magdalena , born 1671, died 1751-02-08 on Måsen in Färgelanda parish. Married 1713-02-02 at Kylsäter in the said parish to the captain of the enrollment crew at Dal Peter Stacke , born 1651, died 1732-10-02 at Kylsäter.
  6. Helena . Married to Captain Gabriel Gyllenberg .
  7. Märta Christina , born 1676, died 1750-01-29 Högås. Married to Lieutenant Mauritz Stake , in his 3rd marriage, died 1728.
  8. Catharina Eufrosyne . Married to Captain Anton Johan Svabe .
  9. Hedvig . Died unmarried 1712-06-13 in Fors parish, Älvsborg county.

Thank you. I understand your point about linking all the profiles mentioned now. Ooh, K see now...the probable mixup with two sisters and another Patrick! I didn't check just now, but I seem to recall seeing two Elisabeths as sisters there which was another dodgy thing. Yes, I believe someone has probably by mistake linked Patrick Ogilvie with (Elisabeth as she was apparently mistakenly named in thd profile)-Christina Bagge af Söderby. I too only realised when looking at the timespan and then realised she was put as wife to two of my ancestors, which was very odd.
Thanks again for looking into this :)

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