Mary Catherine Howard (Sanders) - Parents?

Started by Cynthia Curtis, A183502, US7875087 on Friday, August 5, 2022
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Frances Denson 1708–1788 should be the wife and not Mary Catherine Howard,which I found married to another John. I'm merging and going through Howard line as some things seem off. I'm sourcing and sorting them. So not 100 percent sure but the maiden name Sanders is married to another John Howard.

John Daniel Howard Esq

https://www.familysearch.org/tree/person/L8Y7-NC1

Annber Lynn Collins Wikitree disagrees.

https://www.familysearch.org/tree/person/details/L8Y7-NC1 Has:

This John Howard is NOT the son of James Howard and Sarah Titus. That John Howard was only ever married to Mary Catherine Sanders, and their relationship to each other and to John's parents are clearly proven in the wills of both John Howard and his father James in which all members of the families are named. The John Howard married to Frances Denson and their children do not correspond to these wills.
Also keep in mind that John Howard (son of James and Sarah) was not a Quaker. Frances Denson and her family were all Quaker. If Frances had married anyone other than another Quaker she would have been "read out of meeting" (excommunicated). It's possible, of course, that her husband John Howard Esq was not a Quaker, but annual meeting records should be searched to confirm. See also the previous note:


Biography

https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Howard-2016

John Howard was born 16 Jun 1718 in Nansemond, Colony of Virginia and died about 3 Feb 1771 at about age 52 in Bute, Province of North Carolina.

He was the son of James Howard and Sarah Elizabeth (Titus) Howard).

He married Katherine Mary Sanders (aka Mary Catherine Sanders) . Some sources say they wed in Virginia, some say North Carolina.

They had at least eight children during their marriage. Some sources indicate 11 children, including:

  1. Thomas Howard born Abt 1723.
  2. John Howard born Abt 1725.
  3. Elizabeth Howard born Abt 1728.
  4. Mary Howard born Abt 1730.
  5. William Howard born Abt 1732.
  6. Julius Howard born Abt 1735.
  7. Sarah Ann Howard born Abt 1737 (married Elisha Sims)

There is no proof or source that records John had another wife from Mary Catherine Sanders. This is not the John Howard married to Frances Denson. Please read his entire original will. Do not add other spouses for John without providing irrefutable evidence.

Cynthia Curtis, A183502, US7875087

https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Sanders-1085 Shows Mary Katherine as daughter of John Sanders Born 1660 in England, Nansemond, Virginia, Colonial America & Phoebe Thomas.

Thank you for all the work done here

To recap:

Katherine Greniffe Howard Married John Howard, of Bute County

Frances Horton Married John Howard, of Onslow County

Parents of both Johns are unclear.

Appreciate the help! Why I was saying I wasn't 100 percent sure and running through the lines. It appeared that way at first glance but I trust no one source or family tree. I knew Cynthia would do due diligence as I've seen her work on Geni and yours as well Erica.

You'll see I was disconnecting the other John's on Mary's profile in the revision part. I see you've separated them with more information. Most helpful as I've been working around these parts and adding sources. The last two days it's been the; Howards,Baker and Johnson line. I'll be adding free and enslaved profiles out of Maryland as well. I wasn't sure if you agreed on the MP for Maurice to remove Prudence? I seen you removed the middle name of Henry. His daughter is there,she just needs her husband added.

I'll see what source information I can add to it now that you've straightened them out more clearly.

Always happy to collaborate.

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Thank you, it’s coming along. Keep at it.

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