Query on Amy Garner SPODE husband

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Mary Garner Dean married a William DEAN on 23/1/1851 in New Norfolk, Tasmania and they had the following children

  • Robert William 4/12/1851
  • Lucy Matilda 15/12/1855
  • Clara 27/6/1862
  • Catherine Sally 6/2/1865

In all the birth records her husband is listed as William DEAN

On Geni he has been identified as William Matthew Dean, Snr but I am not sure that this is correct.

William Matthew DEAN Snr 1798-1892 is on Geni with

  • wife 1 - 1820 Sarah CLARCK
  • wife 2 - 1825 Susanna MILLAR who died in 1839
  • wife 3 - 1841 Emma HOUGHTON who died in 1898 - and he has children with her after Amy has married her William

There is his son William Matthew DEAN Jnr 1826-1891 who is on Geni with

  • 1848 Mary KING - who died in 1883 - and he has children with her after Amy has married her William

What evidence is there that connects William DEAN husband of Amy to William Matthew DEAN Snr or Jnr?

https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/153229340?searchTerm=wil...
Daily Telegraph - Thu 7/4/1892 Page 3
OBITUARY.
MR. WILLIAM MATTHEW DEAN
In the English Cemetery yesterday were
laid quietly to rest the mortal remains of an
old pioneer of Tasmania, Mr William Matthew
Dean, who 63 years ago placed his foot for
the first time on Tasmanian soil. The late
Mr Dean was a Surrey man, being born in
Croydon in 1799, and when he was about 28
years of age he was engaged to the Cressy Com-
pany to bring out a number of horses to
Tasmania, and among them was the cele-
brated mare Whizgig. He arrived in Hobart
in May, 1829. Whizgig, which belonged to
Mr Henty, was destined for West Australia,
but the mare remained in the island, and
some of her progeny keep her memory green
even to-day. The late Mr Dean soon after
his arrival in the North went to Cressy,
where he resided till about the year 1832.
We next find him proprietor of a butcher's
shop and livery stables ia Patterson-street,
on the same premises which he oocupied till
his death, and these premises were also used
in connection with a shipping agency, which
was managed by one of his sons. The late
Mr Dean was a thoroughly good townsman
—in the stirring times of 30 or 40
years ago he was a prominent figure in
all local matters, but his business engage-
ments prevented him taking an active part
in politics. He infused a remarkable amount
of energy into business, and even when the
all-decaying hand of time had whitened his
looks and enfeebled his gait his mental
faculties were keen, and it was not till he
had long passed the allotted span that he was
compelled to refrain from business. For the
last 18 months he had been unable to leave
his bouse, and he gradually sank till he
quietly passed away on Monday morning last.
When the late Mr Dean first arrived in Tas-
mania be was accompanied by his wife and a
son and daughter, but two sons and two
daughters were subsequently born. The
late Mr Robert Dowling, the well-known
artist, married one daughter, and another
is the wife of Mr James Coulter, super-
intendent of police. One of his sons by
his first wife died in Victoria a few months
ago, and another, James, was lost in the
brig Creole, which foundered off the North
East Coast with all hands in 1863, while on
a voyage to New Zealaad ; while another son,
Mr George Dean, was for a long time
manager of the Lauaceston branch of the
Commercial Bank. The late Mr Dean's
first wife died about 1839, and two years
later he married a Miss Houghton, by
whom he had three sons and seven
daughters. One son died some years ago.
One is at present in Victoria and another
in the Civil Service in New Zealand. Of the
seven daughters six are married, the first to
the late Mr J. H Smith, who since the death
of her husband has been residing in Victoria,
One daughter is the wife of Mr William
Hunt, registrar of the Courts of Requests
and Bankruptcy: and Mrs W. C. Smith of
Apsley ; Mrs Steed, of Victoria ; Mrs Walter
Conway, of this city, and Mrs Crombie-
Brown, of Sydney, are the other married
daughters, the youngest being still single
and living with her widowed mother.
The funeral, which took place shortly after
9.30 yesterday morning, was a large one con-
sidering the early hour, among the followers
being a number of old citizens. The chief
mourners were Messrs. James Coulter (super-
intendent of police), William Hunt(deputy
sheriff), and Walter Conway, all sons-in-law
of deceased.

From William Matthew DEAN Snr obituary

First wife
Arrived in Tasmania with his wife and a son and a daughter
2 sons and 2 daughters born in Tasmania
one daughter married Robert DOWLING
one daughter married James COULTER
one son died a few months ago
one son James lost in 1863 on "Creole"
one son George manager of Commonwealth bank
died about 1839

Second wife
married about 1841
Miss HOUGHTON
had 3 sons and 7 daughters
one son died some years ago
six of the 7 daughters are married (youngest unmarried)- Mrs J H SMITH, Mrs William HUNT, Mrs W C SMITH, Mrs STEED, Mrs WALTER, Mrs CROMBIE-BROWN

HI !
There are different William Dean all related as cousins.
William Matthew b1798 UK Surrey 1898 TAS/ arrvl in Hobart 1829 / 1825 x Susannah MILLAR b 1809 in UK Surrey + 1839 in TAS after giving birth to her 7th child ; Christiana Suzanna b.1839

He remarried, I make it with MARY BLANCHE HOUGHTON 50 years of gold marriage when he died in 1898 they had 12 children but not sure they all lived 1842 MATHILDAEUGENIA/1844 MARY SARAH/ 1845 FREDERICK CLAUDE / 1852 MARY ANNIE/ 1855 BLANCHE /1861

1859 MEDAN/ 1867 ADAZ . MARY GARNER SPODE/DEAN LIVED IN SCOTTDALE RINGAROMA.

THE OTHER WILLIAM was from Askrigg U.K YORKSHIRE . b ca 1800 +1879 TAS he was named "WILLIAM of Belmont "in TAS.
FIRST WIFE SARAH CLARK + 1844 in TAS 8 CHILDREN : WILLIAM 1820 /ELIZABETH B.1824 X SHERWIN/ MARY 1826/ JOHNSON 1830/ GEORGE 1832/ EDWARD 1834/ CHARLES 1837/ SARAH 1841. HE IS AMY SHERWIN'S GRANDFATHER the" TAS Nightingale "

WILLIAM "Of Belmont" remarried in 1850 with MARY GARNER SPODE they had 6 children : ROBERT WILLIAM 1851 / FLORENCE MARIA 1852 / ELLIS 1854 / LUCY MATHILDA 1855 / CLARA 1862 / CATHARINA 1865 .

I found 4 different William DEAN’s in Tasmania that had become confused

William DEAN 1814-1874 Convict "Lady Raffles" 1840 married Mary Ann MAGUIRE

William DEAN 1800-1879 emigrated in 1824 married Sarah CLARK and then Mary Garner SPODE

William Matthew Dean, Snr, 1798-1892 Free Settler "Aurelia" 1829 married Susanna MILLAR and then Emma Blanchard HOUGHTON

His son William Matthew DEAN, Jnr, 1826-1891 Free Settler "Aurelia" 1829 married Mary Ann KING

Other than the father and son I haven’t found any relationships between them.

HI Leane you will probably not find any relationship between them unless you go to UK census.
THE PRIME ANCESTOR IS WILLIAM BOSWELL DEANE of WETHSTONE MIDDLESEX /LONDON.
B. CA 1725 MARRIED TO CATHERINE JONES CA 1765 .THEY HAD 20 CHILDREN .

ONE OF THEM : WILLIAM DEAN B. 1769 + 1823 AND WIFE ELIZABETH HOWARD B. 1775 + 1826 ARE THE PARENTS OF WILLIAM MATTHEW DEAN B. 1798 CROYDON /SURREY U.K. WHO WENT TO TAS WITH WIFE SUSANNAH MILLAR O/B SHIP AURELIA WIITH 2 CHILDREN AND HIS SIBLINGS.

ANOTHER WILLIAM DEANE 'of Belmont" descends FROM THAT WILLIAM BOSWELL IN WETHSTONE HE IS THE GRANDFATHER OF YOUR OPERA SINGER IN TAS :AMY SHERWIN;

ANOTHER WILLIAM BOSWELL JR SON OF JOSEPH DEANE ESTABLISHED ALSO IN LAUNCESTON LATER THAN THE 2 PREVIOUS MENTIONED

AS PER WILLIAM DEAN X MARY MC GUIRE HE WAS CONVICTED TO 7 YRS . THEY HAD A SON : JOHN DEAN WHO MARRIED MARY ANN BRYAN

THE INFOS WERE VERY DIFFICULT TO GET SOME CAME VIA AUSTRALIAN CENSUS OTHERS THROUGH ARTICLES IN PAPERS OR LETTERS;

ANOTHER WILLIAM DEANE 'of Belmont" descends FROM THAT WILLIAM BOSWELL IN WETHSTONE HE IS THE GRANDFATHER OF YOUR OPERA SINGER IN TAS :AMY SHERWIN;

ANOTHER WILLIAM BOSWELL JR SON OF JOSEPH DEANE ESTABLISHED ALSO IN LAUNCESTON LATER THAN THE 2 PREVIOUS MENTIONED

AS PER WILLIAM DEAN X MARY MC GUIRE HE WAS CONVICTED TO 7 YRS . THEY HAD A SON : JOHN DEAN WHO MARRIED MARY ANN BRYAN

THE INFOS WERE VERY DIFFICULT TO GET SOME CAME VIA AUSTRALIAN CENSUS OTHERS THROUGH ARTICLES IN PAPERS OR LETTERS;

William Boswell DEANE and Catherine JONES are on Geni as the grandparents of William Matthew DEAN Snr 1798-1892 (who is the father of William Matthew DEAN Jnr 1826-1891)

How does William DEAN 1800-1879 (of Belmont) fit in to this family?
On Geni his father is Samuel DEAN and his fathers mother is Mary
If they were cousins I would expect his grandmother to be Catherine JONES

The convict William DEAN has no parents on Geni (and none listed in his records that I have been able to find so far)

Which UK census has the family on it?

The earliest that I know of is 1841

  • William Matthew DEAN Snr was in Australia from 1829
  • William DEAN (father of William Matthew DEAN Snr) died in 1823
  • William Boswell DEAN (grandfather of William Matthew DEAN Snr) was born in 1731 so would have been 110 in 1841
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