Elizabeth Ann Marsh (Jeffs) - Elizabeths birth record

Afternoon Barry;
I am not blood relative, but some years ago I assisted a now deceased distant relative with some basic research into the Jeffs family as I had some experience with assorted sources etc .

The birth date indicated existed already on profile at time my name was attached as a joint manager and with her age “76 “ shown at death index etc, dates equate.

My own direct relatives were part of the “Canterbury Settlers” 1850/51 as coincidently were the Jeffs family. I say that due to fact some of my own family members from those early years did not appear upon official birth & death records although they were captured within some Church Records of the day - maybe MaryJeffs was pregnant during voyage and gave birth to Elizabeth soon after arrival?

About fifteen years ago I travelled to Christchurch for about a week search of data & info as to my own family and amongst other records at that time was a card index (Church Registers) showing christening marriages deaths of my family ( some not appearing on official NZ BMD) all that was available then at Christchurch Library . I did note many spelling variations during that visit and that may be case with Elizabeth.

Had a bit of internet search today without success, but note Elizabeth’s age equates to 1850 birth. Her death certificate would no doubt confirm that detail.

Best of luck with your endeavour

Brian

Thank you Brian.
I have yet to go again to the Chch Library and see those cards.

I have access to the Templeton Parish transcripts and I am working through those..
However, the death Certificate, perhaps even the register detail is not sufficient evidence of birth date & place.

Likewise Edward does not appear in the NZRGO BDMs either.
Early days in the Settlers' lives and the communitiy establishment, But there must be some evidence , even a Bible that tells of those birth events.

With all the different families at the 10 Baptisms, some information on those two must have 'rubbed off'!! Yes? No?

I appreciate the spelling differences. Determining just what might have been used by NZRGO makes that a LOTTO exercise! I have three name variations for Catherine xx_xx_xx Fern JEFFS. Also colloquials and life names are not valid definitions - only in context of use.

And I have three for JEFFS, JEPHS, and JEPES in the English marriage indexes! Oh, and JUFFS in the census 1841.!! All in Buckinghamshire in that time period.

I will take it all quietly. It is not a high priority for me, being a Great Aunts in-law cousins, but it is nice to have the correct detail accurately described.

Thank you for coming back, Brian.
Barry P. (Oct 13.).

Barry

Just remembered I had also found a bit of info as to Charles Jeffs brother Ephraim at Canterbury Museum via on line search a few years ago , ( input that as a source upon Ephraims profile.)

Looked again today following your response to see if Charles Jeffs has a similiar records, and yes there also exists a record which I have today recorded as a source upon Charles profile. Only shows one page of data, but maybe the actual card may have additional cards attached or staff be able to direct you further linking records.

MacDonald collection of Early settlers etc

Good luck
Brian

Hello Barry & Brian. I’m very interested in your conversation about my direct great great grandmother Elizabeth Jeffs. I’m currently engrossed in writing a history of her life with another ancestor George Daniel Marsh when they lived in Claremont, Timaru. Seems they may have met ‘over the fence’ on adjoining properties in Templeton..A family anecdote has it that Elizabeth’s mother Mary (née Button Coles) was heavily pregnant when the family arrived Canterbury December 1851 and had to be ‘rowed around the Heathcote’ for the birth! I’m also interested in Ephraim, as well as Benjamin (who emigrated with Charles and Mary) and whether they were actually brothers, etc. etc. Happy to discuss if you want. Regards, John Beadle, Auckland.

@ Hello Barry & Brian. I’m very interested in your conversation about my direct great great grandmother Elizabeth Jeffs. I’m currently engrossed in writing a history of her life with another ancestor George Daniel Marsh when they lived in Claremont, Timaru. Seems they may have met ‘over the fence’ on adjoining properties in Templeton..A family anecdote has it that Elizabeth’s mother Mary (née Button Coles) was heavily pregnant when the family arrived Canterbury December 1851 and had to be ‘rowed around the Heathcote’ for the birth! I’m also interested in Ephraim, as well as Benjamin (who emigrated with Charles and Mary) and whether they were actually brothers, etc. etc. Happy to discuss if you want. Regards, John Beadle, Auckland.

Afternoon John
There were three Jeffs brothers and as I’ve indicated in earlier conversation, I am not blood related.

There are a number of newspaper accounts of the times talking about family group, incl the train accident etc.

If you look at the sources I placed upon Charles Jeffs 1825 in addition to the other Jeffs family you will find some info copies that were sourced from CanterburyMuseum as well as copy of 1841 English Census and as Barry indicated there are many versions of their name.

As to Mary being pregnant during voyage, I have no idea but would think maybe the ships log may have mention of her as she would have needed some consultation with ship doctor? Certainly worth a look in event you haven’t already reviewed.

Best of luck with your endeavour

Brian