William Phelps, Sr. - Disputed Origins

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Disputed Origins

Was the William Phelps, Jr. who married Nancy Phelps the son of John Phelps, of Goochland County & Margaret Phelps He’s listed as mulatto.


William Phelps, Jr. did name a son William in his Will.


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So my theory is that William Phelps, of Fleamon’s Creek is the son named in the Will of John Phelps, of Goochland County but he is not the same as William Phelps, Jr.

His Y DNA descendant test shows as E M44 (and variants), which is consistent with the “mulatto” report,

There is another set of parents offered at the profile duplicate William Phelps, Jr. - William Oliver Phelps, Sr. & Ann ‘Nanny’ Phelps

I don’t know anything about them, but I would suggest merge & move to William Q setup.

The geography works much better.

Do we have the “platt book in Buckingham Co”

See https://phippsgenealogy.wordpress.com/2016/06/05/a-phelps-fiphs-phi...

A Phelps, Fiphs, Phips, Phillips, Phipps, Etc. Mishmosh

if these families do connect, which appears to probably be the case, then it’s certainly no wonder that no one has ever cracked the genealogy of this family before. They were all over the place more or less at once, perhaps because of several generations pursuing the occupation of surveyor, as suggested by some of the records. In addition, if they connect, they appear to have used every possible surname variation imaginable.

1747: John Phelps of Goochland County became sick and decided to write his will. In that will, he refers to his wife Margaret and sons John, Samuel, and William, in addition to several Phelps grandchildren. He also mentioned slaves and large tracts of land, with references to “Fleamon’s Creek.” This appears to be the same creek referred to in other records as Flemings or Fleming’s Creek. Later the same year, 1747, John Phelps was given permission to include some large tracts of land on both Flemings Creek and Willis’s Creek in Goochland County, all to be included in one patent. This combining of land in this manner was referred to above, and makes one wonder whether it might possibly suggest a high degree of familiarity with the surveying profession. The land belonging to John Pleasants is also referred to in the same record. Although it’s the subject of some contention, the John Pleasants name surfaces in connection with both the Burton and Reeves families which have been so closely associated with the Phips or Phipps family. In addition, after some of the Burton and Phips or Phipps family moved from the Grayson County, Virginia and Ashe County, North Carolina area into Lawrence County, Indiana, an individual named John Pleasant Burton was buried there in 1836, with the middle name appearing on his tombstone. Some claims have the John Phelps of this will as identical to the one who was living later in Lunenburg County, after that county was formed in 1746, but this appears disproven by the fact that the John of the will clearly died in 1747. The will is dated 14 February 1747 and was proved in March 1747.

How does that help figure out which William Phelps were the same, and which were different?

Community.

“1755: Also the same year, and again in Cumberland County, Susannah Fips witnessed the will of Sanburn (Sanborn) Woodson.“

I’m going ahead with two Williams - son of John & son of William, the latter the one who married Nancy Nail.

That site refers to Col. John Il Phelps

Who is much less in question.

I am manager of Sarah Phelps
Just trying to follow.
Will revisit

I don’t think this is an instant fix at all. The Phipps site https://phippsgenealogy.wordpress.com/2016/06/05/a-phelps-fiphs-phi... looks pretty comprehensive- and they don’t know.

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