Agnes Hue d'Amboise, (unconf.) - Agnes Hue d'Amboise parents

Eddie Presley

10/29/2022 at 7:25 PM

I can see it says that she is unconfirmed so It brings up my question. It list her birth date as circa 1102 which is before her parents are listed to be born. It would be about right for her sons birth date. Could Sulpice be her brother and Hugues be her farther, not her grandfather? I've tried to look at sever other web sites and you can find it both ways. Are there any records from that time period that would be able to say who her parents are?

Alex Moes C

10/29/2022 at 8:58 PM

While by no means infallible Medlands is by far the most comprehensive website that's accessible for amateur researchers.

From this http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/NORMANDY%20NOBILITY.htm#RobertIIHar... Robert's mother/Guilliame's wife (so this Geni profile) is not known.

From this https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/CENTRAL%20FRANCE.htm#SulpiceIIAmbo... (Agnes' father on Geni) did not have a daughter named Agnes at all nor any daughter that could've married Robert.

Alex Moes C

10/29/2022 at 9:01 PM

Given the above what would you think about blanking Agnes and disconnecting her from the parents shown on Geni?

Eddie Presley

10/30/2022 at 6:33 PM

Thanks, that website has a lot of infomation on it. It could take a while get good at using but will bookmark it for later use. I could not get the names and dates to line up correctly. The Sulpice I saw was born in 1081 to LISOIS Seigneur de Bazoges. The Sulpicethat is listed as Agnes Hue D'Amboise was born about 1106 to Hugues II born 1075. I did some more looking online and found a couple of other websites that list Sybelle DE CHÂTEAURENAULT, 1075–, one of Hugues wifes as Agnes mother and that would put her as Sulpice half brother. Here are the sites,
https://www.myfamilytree.scot/webtrees/tree/tree3/individual/I40337...
https://www.genealogieonline.nl/en/jess-boatman-family-tree/P2768.php

You do not have to disconnect the line for me. I'm just tring to get the correct information. just as I hope all other researchers will want. Thank you for your quick response.

Alex Moes C

11/4/2022 at 7:34 PM

Hi Eddie Presley the two webpages you linked to are just online family trees, they may be wonderfully researched and accurate. But more likely they are worthless, sorry.

Medlands is maintained by a team of professional historians and is the best medieval resource available to amateurs online.

A lot of family tree builders will see hints or suggestions of a link and will make a connection because by it's nature tree-building is about making the tree bigger.

Alex Moes C

11/4/2022 at 7:35 PM

Terry Jackson (Switzer) Given the above what would you think about blanking Agnes and disconnecting her from the parents shown on Geni?

Eddie Presley

11/5/2022 at 4:50 PM

I cannot say if the webpages I linked to are any good. It's just what has been put out be others. I agree that Medlands is a great resource. I know a lot of the trees online are posted by someone yhat has mistakes and nothing is verified. Others will download it and use it so any mistakes are passed on. It is amazing how far back the lines go. I have seen a few on Geni that the notes say the parents are not known but they have them listed, I'm hoping the notes were not updated after new info was found. It is hard for me to keep up with the family in that time frame (before a family sire name) with the fanily name changing by where they lived.

Erica Howton C

11/5/2022 at 8:26 PM

Re: I have seen a few on Geni that the notes say the parents are not known but they have them listed, …

Try to post to the “curators please assist” discussion, or from the profile, when you see that discrepancy, so we can reconcile.

We didn’t always have the ability to lock relationships, and also, a perhaps misguided belief that people read notes & act accordingly.

Eddie Presley

11/7/2022 at 7:32 AM

It looks like you deleted Agnes Hue d'Amboise all together. I was not asking if she was the wife of William de Harcourt but the daughter of Sulpice "Le Hutin", seigneur de Chaumont et de Jaligny MP d'Amboise 1106-1153. Something else I have noticed is that Agnes was born in Shenton, Leicestershire, England and died in Stanton Harcourt,,Oxfordshire,England.
Sulpice was born in France and reading the notes for him and his wife never lived in England. From the notes of her listed husband, Sir William de Harcourt, William de Harcourt, Lord of Harcourt, Cailville, Beauficel, and Lord of the Manor of Stanton-under-Bardon, co. Leicester, was living in 1124, married Hue de Amboise. I do not know if there was a de Amboise line around Leicester that she could be from or if they also have her place of birth wrong. You may want to think about linking her back to William unless you can find something to link him to another Hue de Amboise.

Erica Howton C

11/7/2022 at 11:46 AM

Medlands differs from the traditional genealogy.

https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00028877&tree=LEO

Cites Europäische Stammtafeln, J.A. Stargardt Verlag, Marburg, Schwennicke, Detlev (Ed.). 10:123

Eddie Presley

11/13/2022 at 7:42 PM

Sounds like there is too much conflicting information to make a sound judgement as to she is.

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