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Alan Grant - Alan Grant son of Patrick & Fergusia Grant

Started by Charles Frith on Saturday, November 26, 2022
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According to this profile.... Alan Grant, husband of Darvagilla of Fife was born approximately 1100.... however, my calculations would put him closer to 1160 (plus or minus 10 years). The children of Alan Grant and his wife Darvargilla would have been born approximately sometime between 1198 to 1220 when Darvargilla is guestimated to have been about 50 years old (1220) that is if she and her husband were born approximately 1160-1170...........

The issue with this profile is .first, the parents of Alan, Patrick and Fergusia, are both listed as being born about 1020..... which would have put Fergusia at almost 180 years old.....................................Also, Alan is listed in this profile under the "ABOUT" section as...... "Alan 2nd. Allan, only Son to Patrick Grant of Freuchy, succeeded in his Fathers inheritance of Freuchy and Balachastle, a man of aspiring inclinations, particularly zealous for revenging MacPead, the murder of his brother in law, Duncan, King of Scotland"...............................

There seems to be at least one generation missing here... the last I knew there has only been one woman close to 100 who ever birthed a child, and her name was Sarai, the wife of Abram. the uncle of Lot...Fergusia, by this profile, would have been at least 150...outdoing even Sarai.......

If the birth dates of the children Alan & Darvargilla are correct, then, Patrick Grant of Freuchie and his wife Fergusia MacAlpin are more likely grandparents, or even great-grandparents, of this person rather than his parents.... especially since he is recorded as Alan 2nd..... and, not, for example.... Alan - 2nd Laird of Freuchie

Please Advise.

Thank you much,

Chace Simmonds-Frith

pretty much all birth dates in the medieveal tree are just guess work by geni users, and over time the dates dont match up. it would be better to just lock all unsourced dates as blank

Very very very few birthdates come down to us; Jason Scott Wills is right; many different genealogies make various estimates, some with more evidence than others.

To a degree I an concur with you... however, when we have dates that have 100-plus difference there is a problem....it's not the birthdates (mm dd yy) that is the issue.... through all genealogies, no matter what age, and I have researched many from 40BC through 2022....when giving an approximation of a birth it is usually best to use a 20-40 year span at best..... for me, personally, I use a 6-10 year span......but in this case about we have a woman of up to 180 years of age giving birth....that simply is NOT possible.... and it shows from my many decades of research, of trying to make something fit rather than finding the correct puzzle piece..... After this particular profile, the descendants basically first... and before this profile, up to approximately 900-950 the profiles basically fit.... this one does not.... so there remains a generation or two that is missing... one must also remember that during this time the world was a Roman-Catholic world... and as such the churches especially Catholic churches kept extremely detailed records of all the people in their parishes... both legitimate and illegitmate....during this time, though, most of the church records are in Latin, but the records are still there...... if we look..... as was taught to me when I was a child "Genealogy is not guesswork.... Genealogy is Research.

Parish registers were only formally introduced 1538 by order of Thomas Cromwell which is hundreds of years after Alan

Formally introduced yes...... but..... you can still find records prior to that if you look.... I certainly have found them... and many of them......which is how I've gotten some of my VALIDATED trees back to 940BC........you have to convert records from Latin to English... from Latin Vulgate to English and from Hebrew, in many cases, to English .....but primarily it is Latin most records from this time and before were created in................ but it can be done if one takes the time to look....

What were the sorts of documents that you were reading, where you found birth dates? That is of great interest to me; Ive worked with church.records, chronicles, wills, land records, and the like, and I don’t remember coming across birth dates before1538, at least in England. Were you working with proof of age inquests?

Those documents do provide birth dates of course, but it’s for such a small percent of the populace.

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