Unknown mother of Elizabeth Greene - Can the mother of Elizabeth Greene, wife of Robert Greene of Bowridge Hall be identified?

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I received a Geni message pointing me to Find A Grave which claims that this woman, mother of Elizabeth Greene, was Agnes Rucke Wright.
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/109870471/agnes-wright.

I took a quick look on the Internet but couldn't find any reliable discussion of Elizabeth Greene's ancestry.

Does anyone who is good with Medieval sources know how to verify or refute the Find A Grave claim?

Be very careful, the Medieval Greene’s have a lot of bogus ancestry.

The way to verify is to go down the tree to the immigrant ancestor. Then we can find peer reviewed articles on his / her origins.

John "the Surgeon" Greene is the immigrant descendant.

New England, The Great Migration and The Great Migration Begins, 1620-1635. Vol 3, G-H. “John Greene Sketch.” < AncestryImage > Page 141 - 148.

Page 144 < AncestrySharing > Birth: about 1594, son of Richard Greene of Gillingham, Dorsetshire [John Greene Gen 39-40]

Page 148 < AncestrySharing > Bibliographic note: In 1903 Louise Brownell Clarke compiled a comprehensive genealogy of the family of this immigrant, including extensive English records and full transcripts of many important early documents [The Greenes of Rhode Island with Historical Records of English Ancestry 1534-1902] (cited above as John Greene Gen).

So in regards to Robert "Lord of Bowridge Hill" Greene, Sr. & his wife Elizabeth Greene, of Dorset I find:

https://www.geni.com/discussions/176492?msg=1192445

https://www.myheritage.com/names/elizabeth_worgg suggests quite confidently that Elizabeth was the daughter of John (The Middle Wright) Wright and Alice Wright Worgg.

Elizabeth Greene (born Worgg) was born circa 1492, in Of,Brownridge Hall,Gillingham,Dorset,England, to John (The Middle Wright) Wright and Alice Wright Worgg. ..

Elizabeth married Robert (Robert (gentleman) Greene) Greene circa 1544, at age 52 in Haydor, Lincolnshire, England.
Robert was born circa 1499, in Bowridge Hill, Gillingham, Dorset, England.
His occupation was Lord and Gentleman, Lord of Bowridge Hill.
They had 14 children: Richard (Sir Richard of Stanfford Ryvera) Greene ….


http://www.stirnet.com/genie/data/british/gg/green01.php#con2

  • i. Robert Greene of Gillingham (d 1558) m. Elizabeth (Worgg?)
    • a. Peter Greene m. Joan
    • b. Richard Greene of Gillingham (b 1525, d before 03.05.1608) m. Joan Converse (dau of William Converse)
      • (1) Richard Greene (b c1560, d before 23.06.1617) m. Mary Hooker (d c1625, dau of John Hooker by Austice Bridgman)
        • (A) John Greene (bpt 09.02.1596/7, d before 07.01.1658/9, to Rhode Island, 4 …

https://archive.org/details/greenesofrhodeis00gree/page/38/mode/2up...

Robert Greene (wife's name unknown) had issue:

I. Peter Greene, gentleman, son and heir, who succeeded to the estate of Bowridge Hill, Gillingham. He died and was buried (according to Parish Register) May 31, 1583. His will is dated May 20, and was proved in London, June i, 1583 (See Appendix I). He died without issue, leaving bequests to his "wife Joan" and to his brothers and sisters.

II. Richard Greene, gentleman, second son of Robert, inherited the property of Bowridge Hill as heir-at-law and "residuary legatee of his brother, Peter Greene." He was taxed on Subsidy Rolls 29th of Queen Elizabeth (1587). His will, dated May 10, 1606, was proved May 3, 1608. The name of his wife not given — issue :

So to me, the issue is the identification of Elizabeth Greene, of Dorset

If she’s from the Kelvedon Wrights, she has the right parents at https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/109870055/elizabeth-greene

And what’s she doing married to a man from Dorset?

This is her supposed family of origin.

Lord John "the Myddle" Wright, IV & Alice Wright

If I remember correctly we couldn’t find a daughter Elizabeth Wright in Essex.

I found a birth record for an Elizabeth, daughter of John Wright in "Wiltshire, England, Church of England, Baptisms, Marriages and Burials" and another reference to her death in "London, England, Church of England Baptisms, Marriages and Burials 1538-1812" - however, the copy of the COE page is so poor that I can't read my copy now.
I also found a marriage record for May 1474, Cheshire for John Wright and Lady Agnes Hunt (b. 1 Jan 1452- d. 5/9/1509) but to my embarrassment, no source is shown.

Aren’t the locations a bit all over the place? And such common names.

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