Chief Sachem Straight Tail Caniachkoo - Family Connections

Started by Debbie Gambrell on Sunday, December 11, 2022
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I just discovered that on Find-a-Grave someone has this Caniachkoo's parents as:

https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/209133740/sachem-caniachkoo

Father: Mongotucksee Longknife Sachem
1550–1595

Mother: Quashwam Ninnecraft Montauk
1556–1600

They have the same wife connected to him as here on Geni but neither site has anything to prove which set of parents are correct.

And Find-a-Grave has Kaneienkeha who is connected here on Geni as his mother as one of the two wives shown for him. Or at least they have the same name.

Both Find-a-Grave and Geni can have errors, but since Find-a-Grave also has Pekowi Turtle “Chief” Straight Tail as Caniachkoo's son but Geni has him as the husband of Caniachkoo's daughter Hadinia, I tend to think Geni has the connections more correct or else Hadinia married her brother. However, with neither site having any sources for where the info came from, I'm hoping someone has something to help sort which site has the connections correct or at least with fewer errors. Any help would be appreciated.

That said, I'm not 100% positive but I believe his name would be Caniachkoo Straight Tail ,and his title is Sachem which means Chief. They also had some who were designated Grand Sachem, but I don't know which applies to Caniachkoo. But Straight Tail seems to be the family name. Interestingly, both males and females could be Sachem. Find-a-Grave has Sachen for Kanienkeha, which I think is a typo though. I don't 'think' they had a different spelling for the female chiefs.

Debbie Gambrell - this needs real sources and chances are the relationships will always be unclear. It’s before European contact, and whatever Europeans wrote it down may very well have misunderstood or been mislead from language errors.

You could also search geni for other profiles on this family, particularly “lower down” this tree, because I know I’ve worked on “Straight Tails” before.

Alvin James Meredith/Premus - you’re the profile manager. Can you help Debbie out with your sources?

Thanks, Erica.

Oh Hi, Debbie. I collected info on my "Step-mother" well-known solid ancestors to my Step-Mother's records. On Familysearch, 5-6 generations up above my Stepmom, has already data on all the platforms. All the same valid info. So, I went up the tree and wanted the same info on Geni that was on all the other platforms. I have written to another Granddaughter of that tribe and she has a book of her ancestors. Seems like everybody is with the same info. Not only that, I had spoken to the Chief of the Narragansett tribe in Rhode Island and he was aware of the info that was online. So, I was happy to add my stepmom's exact info from the other platforms to Geni. I am not an expert Genalogist. I just want all platforms after a number of years with info out there to be the same. I don't know how to copy let's say Familysearch docs to Geni. With every new profile, I leave the website where I got the info with the Info in the profile. Happy Holidays to Both of you. One last thing, If there is a profile with zero info, I try not to log that one in. If the other platforms have info attached to their profile, I feel comfortable logging it on Geni. Also, this tribe is famous and all data should have been checked out by now. Besides, from my stepmother to this Chief is very clear and we know that my stepmom's info is correct up to a certain range of 5-7 Great grandparent surnames. She is 71 years of age and knows up to a point her ancestor's surname. She is very aware she is Cherokee but had no knowledge of the Narragansett tribe connections. Her info is very accurate, I am not sure what all platforms reports. I never investigated that stuff. It was already there.

Thank you so much for sharing that additional info, 6000000000783436235 !

Too often the reason many sites show the same info is that they have copied from each other but not given any sources or details. I really appreciate knowing the history of the info from your step-mother and the tribal contacts made with regard to this lineage. I feel much more confident now that what is on Geni is correct rather than the conflicting info I'd seen on Ancestry. Those would be great details to add into the profile section on this profile.

Again, thank you so much. I hope you and yours have a blessed holiday season and wonderful New Year.

Debbie

Debbie Gambrell & Alvin James Meredith/Premus

This tree was bothering me so I tried a bit more cleanup. But it’s still lacking historic references, although Alvin James Meredith/Premus did a great job compiling what’s out there.

This is what’s bothering me so far.

I’m a New Yorker, and Mohawk of Northern New York are still there - unlike the Montauk of Long Island, who were mostly wiped out, as were the Narraganset, Pequot, and other Eastern & Southern New York & Rhode Island people.

See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mohawk_people

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Montaukett

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Narragansett_people

The Mohawk territory was vast, but it wasn’t Long Island.

So why does the tree seem to incorporate Montauk?

Makes no sense. :(

To Cousin Erica Howton. I made some phone calls to Narragansett but made a mistake by calling to the City of Narragansett instead of the Reservation of the Narragansett in Rhode Island. They are at the Parks and Recreation dept. I thought it was onsite on the Reservation. In the end, they have given me a gal who is an expert on the Tribe's History. She is a Narragansett Member. While we were speaking, she mentioned the Massacre of the Narragansett Tribe, saying they united with the Montauk. She stated it without me influencing her. At any rate, I will speak to the Lady on behalf of the Tribe. (Expert of the Narragansett Tribe’s History-Bella Noka 1-401-364-1100).

I also trying to get the Manager of John Dibert the son, to give me his take as to why they can assume to go up to Mary Sewatha Straight Tail.
Female
about 1660 – 1759. One thing that FamilySearch has is a Doc of the Census of John Dibert of 1790 in Penn State. I will log all my info from my Word File and leave it here. Problem being is on Wikitree has John De Bart, son of John De Bart
Born 1710-1730 [location unknown]. FamilySearch has it John Dibert 1710-1790 Penn State. All of these folks are being born and dying at Penn State.

ANCESTORS ancestors
Son of John Dibert and Mary Seaworth (Chartier) Dibert
Brother of Thomas Dibert, David De Bart, Charles Christopher Dibert, George Dibert, Wilhelm De Bart, and Michael De Bart

Here is my gathered info.

MY-Stepmom’s Connections to the Narragansett Tribe

(Expert of the Narragansett Tribe’s History-Bella Noka 1-401-364-1100)

Mary Seaworth Chartier, Mary Sewatha Straight Tail and John Henry Dibert, Henry Chartier, John Dibert Father- all died in Pen. State.

https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Dibert-5
John Dibert Father of Mary Seaworth Chartier. Mary Sewatha Straight Tail Mother of Mary Seaworth Chartier Per Wikitree
Biography
John came to America with his parents on "Ye First Ship" in 1699. John’s wife Mary Seaworth, was the daughter of Martin Chartier (son of Rene Chartier and Madalene Ranger) and his Indian wife Sewatha. Martin Chartier had come to American with Rene Robert La Salle around 1675. He supposedly followed La Salle throughout several expeditions, but ended up staying with the Shawnee and marrying Sewatha. They had at least four children (that have been documented): Mary Seaworth (some have her Indian name as Sewatha Straight Tail) who married John Dibert, Jacqueline Chartier, and Pierre Chartier who was a noted Indian trader and interpreter.

John and his wife Mary traveled up Indian Paths to what is now known as the Dutch Corner area of Bedford County, PA (then it was Indian land and was illegal for non-Indians to settle on), and built their home, known as “Fort Wingwan” (also known as Fort Wingam, Wingawn and other variations) in 1710. They had twelve children between 1710 and 1732. However, in 1732, the Diberts were attacked and John, Mary and seven of their children were killed. A daughter who was about 16 years old led the other surviving children, including Charles Christopher, back to Virginia to family that they had there (one reference says that she led them to Jamestown to where an Uncle lived, another reference says that she led them to family near Manakintown, Virginia - a 250 mile wilderness trek!).

https://www.familysearch.org/tree/person/details/LYQJ-X25
Mary Seaworth Chartier
Female
1687 – 1732

LYQJ-X25
Death
1732
Fort Wingham, Bedford, Pennsylvnia, United States

Her parents and Siblings are listed there. Mary Seaworth died in Penn. State. Her Mom- (Mary Sewatha Straight Tail
Female
about 1660 – 1759 Died in
1759
Pennsylvania, British Colonial America

John Henry Dibert
Male
1685 – 1732
LYSZ-KJV
Death
1732
Fort Wingan, Bedford, Pennsylvania, United States

1.Generation: -“Kathleen Gayle Rickman”- (Mother- was Orpha Eva Ewing)
Born: 18 March 1944 – Living • GWY6-19L​​
https://www.familysearch.org/tree/person/details/GWY6-19L

2.Generation: -“Orpha Eva Ewing”- (Father- was Edward Hugh Ewing)
Born: 28 January 1909 – 18 March 1985
https://www.familysearch.org/tree/person/details/LHRY-Y7H

3.Generation: -“Edward Hugh Ewing”- (Mother- was Orpha Carr)
Born: 9 October 1862 – 8 April 1948
https://www.familysearch.org/tree/person/details/LHRY-VV8

4.Generation: -“Orpha Carr”- (Mother- was Mary Casebeer)
Born: 5 April 1834 – 21 January 1912
https://www.familysearch.org/tree/person/details/MMFL-9MF

5.Generation: -“Mary Casebeer”- (Father- was John Casebeer)
Born: 11 September 1803 – about 24 June 1863
https://www.familysearch.org/tree/person/details/27C4-8H2

6.Generation: -“John Casebeer”- (Mother- was Catherine Diebert)
Born: 1776 – August 1823
https://www.familysearch.org/tree/person/details/LDTL-WR9

7.Generation: -“Catherine Diebert”- (Father- was John Dibert)
Born: 1750 – 1823
https://www.familysearch.org/tree/person/details/LHGB-491

8.Generation: -“John Dibert”- (Mother- was Mary Seaworth Chartier)
Born: 1710 – after 1790
https://www.familysearch.org/tree/person/details/KHKK-KKD

9.Generation: -“Mary Seaworth Chartier”- (Mother- was Mary Sewatha Straight Tail)
Born: 1687 – 1732
https://www.familysearch.org/tree/person/details/LYQJ-X25

10.Generation: -“Mary Sewatha Straight Tail”- (Father- was Chief Meaurroway Opessa)
Born: about 1660 – 1759
https://www.familysearch.org/tree/person/details/LYSZ-LWD

11.Generation: -“Chief Meaurroway Opessa”- (Father- was Chief Pekowi Turtle Straight Tail Hendrick)
Born: 9 March 1630 – 1709
https://www.familysearch.org/tree/person/details/LDJ6-LK2

12.Generation: -“Chief Pekowi Turtle Straight Tail Hendrick”- (Father- was Sachem "Straight Tail" Caniachkoo)
Born: 1598 – 2 July 1678
https://www.familysearch.org/tree/person/details/LTDZ-B1K

13.-Generation: -“Sachem "Straight Tail" Caniachkoo”-
(Father- Chief Sachem “Longknife”, Mongotuckee of the MOHAWK Tribe)
Born: 1585 – 1681
https://www.familysearch.org/tree/person/details/G6JB-76Y

14.Generation: -“Chief Sachem “Longknife”, Mongotuckee of the MOHAWK Tribe”-
(Father- was Great Chief of the MATTABESSETT Tribe Sequasson Sequin Sowheag)
Born: 1550 – 1595
https://www.familysearch.org/tree/person/details/LBSV-2YL

15.Generation: -“Great Chief of the “MATTABESSETT” Tribe “Sequasson Sequin Sowheag”-
(Faher- was Mattabesetts Seguin Montauk)
Born: 1530 – from 1605 to 1635
https://www.familysearch.org/tree/person/details/MH8H-JWT

16.Generation: -“Mattabesetts Seguin Montauk”- (Father- was Mogotucksee Seguin Montauk)
Born: 1508 – 1569
https://www.familysearch.org/tree/person/details/G44P-JFW

17.Generation: “-Mogotucksee Seguin Montauk”- (Father- was Mogotuck Mokomece Montauk)
Born: 1480
https://www.familysearch.org/tree/person/details/G9KT-742

18.Generation: -“Mogotuck Mokomece Montauk”-
(Father- was Tamaquashad Shad Chief of the MONTAUK Nation)
Born: 1460
https://www.familysearch.org/tree/person/details/GMM4-6BV

19.Generation: -“Tamaquashad Shad Chief of the MONTAUK Nation”- (Father- was Tamaquashad Shad Montauk)
Born: from 1430 to 1435 – 1546
https://www.familysearch.org/tree/person/details/LT85-8GY

20.Generation: -“Tamaquashad Shad Montauk”- (Mother- was Au Camp Pa Chaug Sag Gunsh)
Born: 1436 – 1480
https://www.familysearch.org/tree/person/details/GFG8-2TT

21.Generation: -“Au Camp Pa Chaug Sag Gunsh”- (Mother- was Kesh-ke-choo-watt-ka-Gunsh Weerouom)
Born: 1456 – 1476
https://www.familysearch.org/tree/person/details/GFG8-GN7

22.Generation: -“Kesh-ke-choo-watt-ka-Gunsh Weerouom”- (Mother- Keshke Ha ma Quay)
Born: 1430 – about 1475
https://www.familysearch.org/tree/person/details/L13C-PW5

23.Generation: -“Keshke Ha ma Quay”- (Mother- was Ka-hash Ha- ma Chooway)
Born: 1402 – Deceased
https://www.familysearch.org/tree/person/details/GMX4-CBV

24.Generation: -“Ka-hash Ha- ma Chooway”- (Mother- was- ???)
Born: 1383 – Deceased
https://www.familysearch.org/tree/person/details/GSKH-54C

Because of the Holidays, I wasn't able as of yet, to reach any of the Main Indian Reservation numbers to reach the Expert on the Tribe's History. As soon as we get into the New Year, I will try to reach this lady again.

(Expert of the Narragansett Tribe’s History-Bella Noka 1-401-364-1100).

Alvin James Meredith/Premus - thank you for your posting, I didn’t study it in detail, but it’s familiar to me (names, locations …) as part of the Shawnee tree, which was Ohio Valley based (Pennsylvania).

They ranged far, like the Mohawk, so certainly could have had contact & intermarriage. So, again, it’s the Narragansett connection that’s puzzling me.

And, these profiles in the 1400s. Oh, dear. What is it based on?

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