Mary (Clayton) Coleman - Husbands

Started by Debbie Gambrell on Wednesday, December 28, 2022
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I've never seen anything elsewhere indicating that Mary Ann Clayton was married to anyone other than Robert Spilsbe Coleman, III. I'm wondering if the Gedcom upload threw in the additional husband William Coleman because a Gedcom upload is the only source listed in his profile that was connected by Karianne Fog Heen this past October.

Maybe William had a wife by the same name but not the same person as this Mary Ann Clayton?

If there are sources / documentation for the connection to the husband William Coleman, please share those. Otherwise, I think this is an error and should be disconnected.

Thanks in advance for any additional information / clarification on the wife of Robert Spilsbe Coleman being married more than once.

Also, Mary has about 25 children connected to her. It's not impossible, but it's unlikely.

Find-a-Grave only lists two. I have 8 connected in my own tree, but I only have DNA validation on three branches from these children:

John Orphat Coleman
Samuel Spilsbe Coleman
Moses Coleman I

Granted, I haven't worked all my Coleman cousin matches on any of the sites, so I doubt that short list is all-inclusive.

I tried to view the link in the profile notes of Robert Spilsbe Coleman and got this message:

This site can’t provide a secure connectionfreepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com uses an unsupported protocol.
ERR_SSL_VERSION_OR_CIPHER_MISMATCH

Anyway, back to whether Mary had two husbands, even if she did, she appears to have been married to Robert when she died because notes state: "After Mary died, probably ca. 1735 because she no longer appears in land records, Robert was living in Caroline Co. in a home he named "Piccadilly"."

If anyone has a link to or copy of his will that lists children, that would be helpful.

Ok, Mary's Wiki page has a lot fewer than 20-something children listed:

https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Clayton-181

It's not all-inclusive though, because my Moses isn't included, although he IS listed on his father's Wiki page;

https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Coleman-353

Neither Robert nor Mary are listed with more than one spouse.

I see someone has been clearing up a bit. But having children over the age of 40 in that time was unusual.
The wiki trees are also not always correct, they are made by the same kind of people as here, some have sources, some not. I like using Familysearch to dig up sources, but even there it can be hard to separate if there are families with people of the same names (which happened a lot, especially with settlers).

I think the best thing to do is to find as many records as possible, and leave a note with the rest that they might not be correct.

I just uploaded this study from a valid sources based on Genealogies of Virginia Families Vol. II, from the Virginia Magazine of History and Biography, listing 14 children.

https://www.colonial-settlers-md-va.us/getperson.php?personID=I3599...

I do not see Moses Coleman. What’s the source?

Moses Coleman, Sr.

Figured it out, I think. Moses Coleman is from the Nansemond Coleman’s.

Moses Coleman, Sr.

And see the note in the profile for Robert Coleman I of Nansemond County VA

GEDCOM Source

based on his wife had to have been born before 1660 when her father died; he likely also born before 1660. There is no record of his second wife's birth year. Robert was transported by his uncle to Virginia in 1667. I am the family historian along with Wes Coleman. I am the admin of the Coleman Surname Group where we test y-DNA of all Coleman men to compare results. We have 19 Coleman matches all descendants of this Robert Coleman of Nansemond County, Virginia.

Honestly, it has been so many years since I worked on those lines and they were complicated to sort out back then. That was work done on another laptop (that crashed) and long before I began using Ancestry for my tree work. So I don't have the link to the main source I used back then that had a whole genealogy of the Colemans. I wish I still had that link. Maybe I'll email that Coleman listed in the notes and ask what he knows about Moses.

Erica, I looked at the tree of a cousin of mine who shares the Coleman line with me and whose father before him had done decades of genealogy work on the family and then he took it up after his father's death. He has done extensive research on many of our lines. He and I have been in touch for over a decade and he has helped me a lot with documentation, because he is great at documenting his research. Anyway, he has this for the parents of Moses, which I was surprised to learn that what he has differs from what I have:

Father:
Robert Coleman
B:abt 1676
D:abt 1761 Nansemond County, Virginia, USA
Mother:
Suzanne (maiden name unknown)

He has that Robert's father as:
Robert Coleman
B:abt 1650
D: Nansemond County, Virginia, USA

So, my cousin John has Moses being from this Robert:
Robert Coleman I of Nansemond County VA

rather than his son Robert Spilsbe like I've thought he was:

Robert Coleman I of Nansemond County VA

He doesn't have a birth date or place for Moses I but has:
Death: 1760 • Edgecombe Co. or Nash Co., North Carolina, USA

In fact, in looking at the work you just recently did to connect Moses differently, it seems you are on track with what cousin John has in his tree.

John has no info on the wife Susanna at all, no dates or places and not profile notes.

That said, I have learned over the years to trust my cousin John's research because he's so thorough. He did the research for these lines i share with him - Blakeney and Jernigan, just in case you want to add these links to any of those lines:

https://jerniganjournal.wordpress.com/

https://blakeneygazette.files.wordpress.com/2018/08/blakeney_gazett...

The tie-in to the Colemans is that our ancestor Keziah Coleman married Stephen Jernigan and their daughter Elizabeth 'Eliza' Jernigan married Jacob Blakeney.

Good! I know it’s sketchy, but there is good documentation for Robert Spilsbe Coleman, and his family did not go to North Carolina. So your Moses has to be from a line that did.

Name: Moses Coleman
Residence Place: Bladen, North Carolina
Will Date: 25 May 1769
Probate Date: 25 May 1799
Probate Place: Bladen, North Carolina, USA
Inferred Death Year: 1799
Inferred Death Place: North Carolina, USA
Item Description: Wills, Vol 1, 1766-1883
Others Listed (Name) Relationship
Moses Coleman
Theophiline Coleman Son
Moses Coleman Son
Phillips Coleman Son
Lucaria Coleman Daughter
Charity Coleman Daughter
Henry Coleman Son
https://www.ancestry.com/sharing/2221594?mark=f5f84641ab33f8e1ce442...

(Moses the first.)

So this line is important to me because of my missing paternal Boykin and my missing maternal Bunch.

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